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The report they were talking about was the one that basically stated you were more likely to get certain types of cancer due to genetics than Smoking... Those being leukemia, liver cancer, bone cancer, and, not surprisingly melanoma.

This article would be more substantive if it actually contained any info or links to the actual report. The other thing:

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A report published in the British Medical Journal last October was hailed by the anti-tobacco lobby as definitive proof when it claimed that non-smokers living with smokers had a 25 per cent risk of developing lung cancer. But yesterday, Dr Chris Proctor, head of science for BAT Industries, the tobacco group, said the findings had to be taken seriously. "If this study cannot find any statistically valid risk you have to ask if there can be any risk at all."

One of the commentators on the findings (which are not referenced, and also not unequivocally stated), is financed by the Tobacco industry... And the Tobacco industry itself has had numerous internal studies that have pointed out that smoking at the very least elevates your risk for contracting many serious and really unattractive diseases.

Also, if the owner wants to incorporate the bowling alley into a private club, and has a list of people that accept that there will be smoking in the club, then they assume the risk associated with that. They have the right to disallow membership, and membership will govern the club as required. As long as those that become members understand that there will be smoking in the club, and agree to that condition, then they're doing it of their own volition, and therefore consent to it. If I'm a non-smoker, and you smoke in the club... who cares, I know the risks and accept them. If its in a restaraunt, then you have no right to smoke indoors (if the locale doesn't allow it).




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In restaurants it's not even a question to ask!!! You go there to eat and there's nothing that ruin more a dinner than smoke!!

haha ^^^^^ you dont smoke do you....thers nothing like haveing a cig with/after dinner.....but hey i agree its not right if you dont like it....but dont have a cell phone on you cuz i hate when ppl's phones ring when im trying to eat.....i d k somthin bout it haha.....pretty much what im sayin is "you cant please everyone" hahahaha


Thanx Charles

^^^^IMHO:

If I'm eating dinner in a place i expect to be smoke free, and some @!#$ lights up a cigarette, cigar, or a pipe, I think i have the right to assume he's on fire and turn the fire hose on them.

Conversely, if i am eating dinner in a place i except to be a quiet restaraunt, and some asshat is jabbering loudly on their cell, i think i have the right to see them escorted to the door for the duration of the call.

There is a thing called common decency, and when i'm not actively sowing the seeds of chaos and destruction i think it's a decent thing to adhere to them. If i go to a bar, I expect smoke--i don't complain. I enter at my own risk and I think that anyone that comoplains about smoke at a bar should invest in creating a smoke-free bar. Further on that, anyone that takes children into a bar should be ritually sterilized using a claw hammer, and their kids should be placed in foster homes because it's obvious thay are a bad parent (you can get drinks at a red robin, no reason to take your kids to a bar--most people go to bars to get away from kids).

However, if i go into a chuck-e-cheese, i'm not going to complain about the noisy children.


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[quote=Keeper of the Light™]^^^^IMHO:

If I'm eating dinner in a place i expect to be smoke free, and some @!#$ lights up a cigarette, cigar, or a pipe, I think i have the right to assume he's on fire and turn the fire hose on them.

Conversely, if i am eating dinner in a place i except to be a quiet restaraunt, and some asshat is jabbering loudly on their cell, i think i have the right to see them escorted to the door for the duration of the call.

There is a thing called common decency, and when i'm not actively sowing the seeds of chaos and destruction i think it's a decent thing to adhere to them. If i go to a bar, I expect smoke--i don't complain. I enter at my own risk and I think that anyone that comoplains about smoke at a bar should invest in creating a smoke-free bar. Further on that, anyone that takes children into a bar should be ritually sterilized using a claw hammer, and their kids should be placed in foster homes because it's obvious thay are a bad parent (you can get drinks at a red robin, no reason to take your kids to a bar--most people go to bars to get away from kids).

However, if i go into a chuck-e-cheese, i'm not going to complain about the noisy children.
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John Wilken
2002 Cavalier
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i believe there is a time and a place for everything and especially smoking. i dont smoke but i have. i dont mind if others smoke either. it doesnt usually bother me to be around it. on the other hand i have children. one of which already has asthma and dont appreciate when you are at say the playground with your young children and some a-hole feels th need to spark one up at the bottom of the tall slide so every child that plays on it gets a nice cloud of smoke in their face. or when they take a big puff and turn to blow it out right in my face and pretend that nothing happened. to make it worse they then allow there arm to swing back and nearly burn a hole in ayong child's eye with the cherry on there menthol. i dont dislike smokers but there are some who need to keep it under contol. if you cant hold off on the cigarettes long enough to keep from discomforting others then theres a problem.

^^^^that's a case when you see them smoking, assume their on fire, and throw a wet blanket over them and beat them until you see no more smoke.


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^^^^^^^^^^^^hahahahaha yea but i mean like there are restraunts that you can smoke in and if you walk in you know.....ashtrays it smells like smoke.....i mean come on some ppl think we shouldnt be able to smoke anywhere.....i can see that most fast food palces and most restraunts are now smoke free....a bar smoke free you gotta be kiding me....im not even old nuff to drink and i know damn well you cant have a bar with out someone smoking a cig.....


Thanx Charles

^^^i personally don't agree that we should ban people from smoking...i think people have the right to do something stupid to kill themselves.

Hell, idiots still sunbathe, and then wonder why there's a rise in malignant melanoma.


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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
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[quote=Keeper of the Light™]^^^i personally don't agree that we should ban people from smoking...i think people have the right to do something stupid to kill themselves.
SHhhhhh... You'll give people ideas. Next they'll want to ban motorcycles, turbos, subs, NOS, wide tires, bungee jumping, parachuting, BMX, alcohol...

I'm surprised that no one has tried to ban remote controls, because they promote keeping your fat lazy a$$ on the couch instead of getting up to turn the channel.


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John Wilken
2002 Cavalier
2.2 Vin code 4
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smoker sections in restaurants should be hermetically closed!!!

And Charles (the haha one), I smoked during 4 years... then realised it was dumb..

I have just as much right to smoke as you have not to smoke. If I am standing by you and you light up a joint, I am gonna leave, not turn around and ask you to put it out. I have just as much right to be in any place as you do. You know they allow smoking..... Dont go there. I am not gonna go to a place that doesnt allow smoking. Its simple as that. This is one of the many stupid things our government has done. How much money can we waste?


-Brandon

If you go to a restaraunt, you're going to eat, not smoke.

Why should I have to leave a place where I'm eating because you decide to indulge your filthy habit? Why should I have to inhale the remnants of your smoke. I'm not being a flake, I'm being dead serious.

If smoking is banned in restaraunts and pubs, go outside, and quit complaining. If it's banned within x feet of a public doorway, suck it up, write your local councilperson and bitch them out to rescind the ban, and while that's happening, obey the law or pay out the fine when you're caught. It's part of due process... I really don't have much sympathy for smokers that feel oppressed.




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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:If you go to a restaraunt, you're going to eat, not smoke.

Why should I have to leave a place where I'm eating because you decide to indulge your filthy habit? Why should I have to inhale the remnants of your smoke. I'm not being a flake, I'm being dead serious.

If smoking is banned in restaraunts and pubs, go outside, and quit complaining. If it's banned within x feet of a public doorway, suck it up, write your local councilperson and bitch them out to rescind the ban, and while that's happening, obey the law or pay out the fine when you're caught. It's part of due process... I really don't have much sympathy for smokers that feel oppressed.

It's that "IF" it's banned that's the issue. WHILE it's still legal, choose your dining/entertainment accordingly. If there was a huge boycot of businesses that allow smoking, it will cause a change. As long as your money is getting put into their pockets, they will gladly accept it and change nothing.

To answer your question "why should I have to inhale the remnants of your smoke"... Because you support businesses that allow smoking with your money.


John Wilken
2002 Cavalier
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Auto

Point taken, but most restaraunts have to have a smoking section nowadays with filtration at the very least... If some john q ass-hole lit up at the table next to me (in the non-smoking section), I'd have little trouble emitting bodily flatulations or other emissions in their face. One good turn deserves another... Seriously speaking though, the onus is on the restaraunt management to enforce smoking regulations in their establishment, and in the case that there is no non-smoking section, I generally don't bother to begin with.






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Why should I have to leave?????


-Brandon

If you're smoking in a non-smoking section.

I know I didn't bury that part




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I would never do that. I have the decency to do it in the smoking section .


-Brandon

Even if the smoking section is outside?

Underwater?

Really, really cold water?


I want to see some dedication from smokers sometime.




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lol, I have to go outside and smoke at work but I work around $5k cockpits for Mercedes so its understandable. I need to quit smoking (again ). I used to smoke cigs, I quit for about 4mos and picked up Black & Milds.


-Brandon

Don't go for Cigars... good ones are more expensive than drugs.




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They've banned cigarette ads from TV, I'd like to see another ban put in place.

I'd like to ban all feminine hygene product ads from tv. It really disrupts my dinner to watch an ad for the new Sta-Free pad, now with it's own individually wrapped picnic wipe attached to each pad. Yea, that really makes me want to finish eating my plate of spaghetti... And those animations of how tampons "comfortly expand to fit" just doesn't make a canoli seem as appealing.


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John Wilken
2002 Cavalier
2.2 Vin code 4
Auto

Ban all advertising I say... some manufacturing corps need to taken down a peg or 2.




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Smoking is a choice made by those of us that decide to do so, do we tell you that your car is too loud or that your breath is nasty? NO smokers in general just do it cause they want to, taking that right away would be against the way America was founded, BUT I see the reasons of why smoking would be better if people would limit it so there wasn't that much polution or second hand smoke but lets not make this a communist ordeal and keep it democratic and let the people decide whats best for themselves


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