yeah i kinda figured , which is why i asked
good thing eco's are easily found in the yards from time to time , though ive got a 02
which brings up another question , will this work for the 02 ? there is something different in the pcm for the 02's , i know ive got a few dead pcms , that we tried to flash 02 tunes to before HPT realized there was a difference , or will us 02 guys need to use the 03-05 pcm ?
JUCNBST wrote:any updates......
I don't have any at the moment... I have been daling with insurance companies and my lawyer all week due to be being rear ended last week... Spent the last 2 days at the doctors due to back pain and now allergic reactions to pain meds.. FUN!
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QWK LN2 (needs an @ss whoopin) wrote:JUCNBST wrote:any updates......
Spent the last 2 days at the doctors due to back pain and now allergic reactions to pain meds.. FUN!
Which is worse dealing with insurance companies or pain? I wish they had a pill I could take to make dealing with insurance companies easier. Get well soon.
Vince says the same tables which are available in the stock program are available in the reflash through HPT.
Hahn Stage II - Mitsu TD06-20g |3" Turbo-back Exhaust | 61mm Bored TB |
HP Tuners | Innovate WB02 | Spec Stage 3 | Team Green LSD | TurboTech Upper | Full Addco Sways | Sportlines & Yellows |
QWK LN2 (needs an @ss whoopin) wrote:JUCNBST wrote:any updates......
I don't have any at the moment... I have been daling with insurance companies and my lawyer all week due to be being rear ended last week... Spent the last 2 days at the doctors due to back pain and now allergic reactions to pain meds.. FUN!
Damn sorry to hear that man - get well soon!
Dam Ryan that does suck, Hope your feeling better quick.
Ryan, do you know about how many people are committing to go in on this purchase at this giving time?
Save your money. It might be worth something someday.
If the price is at or under 250, I will commit to it. I can't afford anything over that.
Rare5spd wrote:Ryan, do you know about how many people are committing to go in on this purchase at this giving time?
Based on the responses/PM's I got, there are 10-11 (including myself and I don't even have an eco!) ... That would make it roughly $500 a person to get this party started... If we can get 20 committed(and paid for upfront!), this would be sweet... BTW, I am still waiting to talk to Vince... Never did get a call back from him and I have been too busy with all my drama to call him..
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QWK LN2 (needs an @ss whoopin) wrote:Rare5spd wrote:Ryan, do you know about how many people are committing to go in on this purchase at this giving time?
Based on the responses/PM's I got, there are 10-11 (including myself and I don't even have an eco!) ... That would make it roughly $500 a person to get this party started... If we can get 20 committed(and paid for upfront!), this would be sweet... BTW, I am still waiting to talk to Vince... Never did get a call back from him and I have been too busy with all my drama to call him..
That number is about what I suspected. Guys we need to get this thread linked up in all the other GM 4cyl forums, anything local, performance or tuning oriented will help make this possible. When you post up the link be sure that you mention PM'ing QWK if they are interested so we can get an accurate tally for the group buy.
Hahn Stage II - Mitsu TD06-20g |3" Turbo-back Exhaust | 61mm Bored TB |
HP Tuners | Innovate WB02 | Spec Stage 3 | Team Green LSD | TurboTech Upper | Full Addco Sways | Sportlines & Yellows |
Problem is alot of people won't commit to this untill they see it working. Get it on a car and prove it's the reflash and you can edit it and maybe more will.
I am interested but not till I see it works and there is proof ...
How about this. Ill gladly pay $250 for this 2nd hand.
Once somebody gets this. gets it working. and proves its the real deal ill gladly pay at least half of the $500 they paid into it.
500 im better off with a stand alone , 250 im in for
SS-J wrote:How about this. Ill gladly pay $250 for this 2nd hand.
Once somebody gets this. gets it working. and proves its the real deal ill gladly pay at least half of the $500 they paid into it.
you mean pay for the thing the seller is trying to avoid? thats the thing. they dont want it out then share it with everyone. they want everyone to pay the full price so they arent losing money on it as well.
BuiltNBoosted wrote:SS-J wrote:How about this. Ill gladly pay $250 for this 2nd hand.
Once somebody gets this. gets it working. and proves its the real deal ill gladly pay at least half of the $500 they paid into it.
you mean pay for the thing the seller is trying to avoid? thats the thing. they dont want it out then share it with everyone. they want everyone to pay the full price so they arent losing money on it as well.
Im simply stating i would help any one of the 10 or so people out that pony's up the $500 for this. The seller gets his money and when its proven to be a working tunable re-flash Im down to lend a helping hand to the people who got it rolling.
SS-J wrote:BuiltNBoosted wrote:SS-J wrote:How about this. Ill gladly pay $250 for this 2nd hand.
Once somebody gets this. gets it working. and proves its the real deal ill gladly pay at least half of the $500 they paid into it.
you mean pay for the thing the seller is trying to avoid? thats the thing. they dont want it out then share it with everyone. they want everyone to pay the full price so they arent losing money on it as well.
Im simply stating i would help any one of the 10 or so people out that pony's up the $500 for this. The seller gets his money and when its proven to be a working tunable re-flash Im down to lend a helping hand to the people who got it rolling.
It's as simple as this - either one or two people are going to put up the entire 5g's to get this thing from Vince and run the GP here, or someone is going to have to organize a GP here to get the full payment from a set number of people in order to pass it on to Vince. Once its out, it will be a short time before you can get it from free, hence the need to pay up front to the quota. Don't kid yourself, if you can pick it up for free on HPT forums or someplace, why would you pay 250? That's the root of the problem
Before anyone pays anything it needs to be proven that it works and questions answered about it.
FU Tuning
Screaming for Mercy!! wrote:Before anyone pays anything it needs to be proven that it works and questions answered about it.
As far as questions, why is it hard to understand that this is similar to the LD9 reflash - its a speed density tune that works on a 2.5bar MAP. It's not some custom OS that can do anything you want it to. What it is, is the most effective way to tune a boosted ecotec using a factory PCM and no "band aid" devices/hardware. Add the injectors for your power level, and tune effortlessly up to about 22PSI. You could tune pretty easily above that too using the last load column for max boost. But i digress lol.
What do you consider proof? For me, seeing open screens in HPT of the OS, fuel and timing maps is good enough.
What do you think?
By the way, did all of you HPT owners ask for proof that it works on the jbody before you paid for the interface? Did you ask for proof that the gmpp supercharger kit works with the GM reflash? All this "proof" crap gets a little old. Trifecta is not some new or obscure company. They do not make a living by screwing people. They are established and innovative tuners of multiple GM platforms.
oldskool wrote:Screaming for Mercy!! wrote:Before anyone pays anything it needs to be proven that it works and questions answered about it.
As far as questions, why is it hard to understand that this is similar to the LD9 reflash - its a speed density tune that works on a 2.5bar MAP. It's not some custom OS that can do anything you want it to. What it is, is the most effective way to tune a boosted ecotec using a factory PCM and no "band aid" devices/hardware. Add the injectors for your power level, and tune effortlessly up to about 22PSI. You could tune pretty easily above that too using the last load column for max boost. But i digress lol.
What do you consider proof? For me, seeing open screens in HPT of the OS, fuel and timing maps is good enough.
What do you think?
By the way, did all of you HPT owners ask for proof that it works on the jbody before you paid for the interface? Did you ask for proof that the gmpp supercharger kit works with the GM reflash? All this "proof" crap gets a little old. Trifecta is not some new or obscure company. They do not make a living by screwing people. They are established and innovative tuners of multiple GM platforms.
You need to chill. Let me answer some questions of your for you.
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What do you consider proof?
Answer: Talking with say Ryan and him saying this works, maybe screen shots might do.
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By the way, did all of you HPT owners ask for proof that it works on the jbody before you paid for the interface?
Answer: No because it was already proven when I bought mine.
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Did you ask for proof that the gmpp supercharger kit works with the GM reflash?
Answer: It was already proven when I bought mine.
So I know nothing about Trifecta. I'm not saying they are a bad company but when you are talking about them modifing something to work in HPT (which they do not produce) I need assurance that it works. How hard is that to understand. More so that I do not own a Ecotec, but yet I'm still interested in helping this happen.
FU Tuning
^^ If I'm offensive i apologize. It's just that here is an opportunity that's been ask directly of HPT for YEARS with zero progress or even interest from them, now smacking us in the face. It seems like all people can do is second guess it.
If a stand-alone meets your goals better than a factory/editable 2.5 bar tune for anywhere from 250-500 dollars, than go do it. Wire it all up, start from virtually scratch, and loose the ability to "easily" pass inspection/emissions.
Asking for screen shots is one thing, but were talking about unprotected intellectual property basically. All I'm saying is that people are do not seem to be considering that. Suggesting you'll split the cost with someone after the initial release is kind of funny because someone will share it for free - it will end up on HPT forums one way or another and that will be the end of it as far as profit.
If it was up to me, Vince would get half the cost HPT credits to license the reflash OS - HPT doesn't really deserve it.
The biggest question I have is how is HPT and EFI Live able to read it? If I could have this answered in a way that makes sence to me, not just a, "it works, trust me", I would be more enthusiastic about it... Neither HPT or EFI Live can read the current reflash.... So currently, the Reflash is still not readable/tunable... Now I don't doubt Vince's abilities and expertise with his software. He is VERY smart and has came up with some solutions that others have yet to come up with.... With that being said, what exactly is he doing to allow us to read this in HPT? Is he just changing the VCM ID and VCM OS ID to a current known working VCM ID and VCM OS ID? If this is the case, are we going to run into Invalid or Mismatched VIN/OS issues with HPT? If this happens, HPT is going to request it, look at it(well, we assume they would... Fat chance maybe...), and give us a reply of, WE DON'T SUPPORT THIS... I really want this to work, it would make my life alot easier these cars... But before I invest this type of coin, I need questions to be answered and a confirmations of tables and editable parameters....
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For all the people whining that 500 dollars is too much, just STFU and get the F' out of this thread.
Go wire up your standalone if that's what you really want, there are plenty of other threads concerning that.
This thread is for people who want a factory solution and still want everything to work on their cars without having half frankensteind' or full race car. We have been waiting years for this solution, now that it appears to be on hand and reasonably priced the JBO lilly dipper whining community is coming out to complain and nitpick as usual.
I don't undstand how it could be any simpler.
If you are willing to pay a modest reasonable price for a program similar to the LD9 reflash on the ECO, then PM QWK and let him know your onboard. If it turns out it is not as promised, then obviously you won't be held to anything because the product will be qualified before anyone throws down money. If you are just a free loading bottom feeder waiting to get it for nothing after others stick their neck out, then you can suck it and accept the fact that if this doesn't happened you have probabally ruined it for everyone else.
Hahn Stage II - Mitsu TD06-20g |3" Turbo-back Exhaust | 61mm Bored TB |
HP Tuners | Innovate WB02 | Spec Stage 3 | Team Green LSD | TurboTech Upper | Full Addco Sways | Sportlines & Yellows |
QWK LN2 (needs an @ss whoopin) wrote:The biggest question I have is how is HPT and EFI Live able to read it? If I could have this answered in a way that makes sence to me, not just a, "it works, trust me", I would be more enthusiastic about it... Neither HPT or EFI Live can read the current reflash.... So currently, the Reflash is still not readable/tunable... Now I don't doubt Vince's abilities and expertise with his software. He is VERY smart and has came up with some solutions that others have yet to come up with.... With that being said, what exactly is he doing to allow us to read this in HPT? Is he just changing the VCM ID and VCM OS ID to a current known working VCM ID and VCM OS ID? If this is the case, are we going to run into Invalid or Mismatched VIN/OS issues with HPT? If this happens, HPT is going to request it, look at it(well, we assume they would... Fat chance maybe...), and give us a reply of, WE DON'T SUPPORT THIS... I really want this to work, it would make my life alot easier these cars... But before I invest this type of coin, I need questions to be answered and a confirmations of tables and editable parameters....
Bingo..... i want to know how hpt is able to read this if as of right now it cannot and they claim it wont ever be able to... thats all im asking... if i see this then i'd be willing to throw out the money.... till then.. im not even pm'ing anyone till i see the proof....
Another thing who said its justified for him to make 10g's off this anyway... i mean really... thats a @!#$ load of money to do something that for all we know took him 10 minutes to do or something like that..... see we dont know and since hes not responding to Ryan's phone calls etc i say something fishy... i may be wrong but something seems fishy.... but whatever.. if its true thats awesome.... if not hes pulling everyones thumbs..... so i guess we will see....
