Another stupid question, I'm sure, but rather be stupid and safe than arrogant and out money. This shifter will fit my car, correct? For those who don't wish to look in my profile, it's a 2002 Cavalier LS. Also, if anybody has any other recommended websites that may offer a better price, or product, please let me know, thanks.
http://www.cosmoracing.com/productinfo.asp?cid=228&pid=1028
yes i got the same one in my 04 ls coupe its got the rev lock too mine is made by b&m and i got it a little cheaper with shipping from a dealer on ebay check ebay may be cheaper was when i got mine. they are just a pain in the b to install them when down time for the car is slim to none.
mine took me about 30 minutes to install, wasnt bad at all.
I got mine off ebay...great deal, it has the rev lock as well. It was a easy install
im not sure i understand shifters still are the ones you are talking about just shorter than stock or do they have some sort of proformance benifit...i cut my stock shaft about 2-3 inches. so is that doing the same thing for me?
Im not sure how much shorter the short shifter are bit I imagine 3" is enough. And yes that is the same thing. All you doing by cutting the shaft or buying a short shifter is lowering the middle of the shaft and the closer your hand is to the center the less mocement youll have to do to shift gears(simplistically put). But by buying a short shifter you get the nice looking chrome pieces and I think some plastics clamps and stuff are replaced with metal ones when you buy a shifter. You fine bro keep the cut one unless you just want to buy a short shifter.
sayno2vtec _ wrote:Im not sure how much shorter the short shifter are bit I imagine 3" is enough. And yes that is the same thing. All you doing by cutting the shaft or buying a short shifter is lowering the middle of the shaft and the closer your hand is to the center the less mocement youll have to do to shift gears(simplistically put). But by buying a short shifter you get the nice looking chrome pieces and I think some plastics clamps and stuff are replaced with metal ones when you buy a shifter. You fine bro keep the cut one unless you just want to buy a short shifter.
not quite. cutting the shifter only makes the height of it short. it does not shorten the throw. buying a short shifter will shorten the throw between gears making shifting quicker.
that the impression i was getting reading up on them, now i just have to find myself a good deal on a short shifter. i still dont think 100$ is quite worth it
StrippedCav98 (Now Quotable) wrote:sayno2vtec _ wrote:Im not sure how much shorter the short shifter are bit I imagine 3" is enough. And yes that is the same thing. All you doing by cutting the shaft or buying a short shifter is lowering the middle of the shaft and the closer your hand is to the center the less mocement youll have to do to shift gears(simplistically put). But by buying a short shifter you get the nice looking chrome pieces and I think some plastics clamps and stuff are replaced with metal ones when you buy a shifter. You fine bro keep the cut one unless you just want to buy a short shifter.
not quite. cutting the shifter only makes the height of it short. it does not shorten the throw. buying a short shifter will shorten the throw between gears making shifting quicker.
And how does it shorten the throw between gears?
Sorri I dont mean to turn thsi into an argument. Yes there are modificatiosn made toa short shifter but the major mod is the shorter lengh. They mod the shaft so it doesnt feel funny to you. They put bends in it and change the angle to make it feel better. But in the end there changing the center point which the shaft pivots on. So yes the hsort shifter is better but IMO the differnces are negligible. Like a short ram intake everyone raves on about K&N and the ebay brands. Yes K&N might make a better filter but the power you gain is coming from replacing the restirctive OEM air intake box crap, not the new filter. The flow difference bewteen a K&N and an ebay air filter is neglibile as long as the both have straight tubes. The mod is in removing the intake box not the filter. Like the mod in this case is making a shorter shift yes hte short shifter was engineered better and might have a shorter throw but the difference IMO is not noticable between chopping a few inches off you shifter and buying a short shifter.
have you ever driven a car with a short shifter? both mine and my buddies old integra had short throw shifters and its a world of a difference. you dont even have to move your whole arm to shift, just move your wrist back and forth and its in gear. they way it works is the short throw changes the pivot of your shifter. cutting the stock shifter just makes it smaller and does nothing for the throw.
lol you need to visit the tranny forum, And I've driven both cut and short shifter civics. A world of difference is a lie! And the pivot point does not move theres a pix in the tranny forum of of a stock and short shifter side by side. The pivot ball when measured from bottom is in the same point. The only shorter is the higher part which you can achieve by cutting. So have u ever driven a car with both is the question. The short shifer only felt better which it should b/c hell you pay an arm and a leg for it but the throws did not have a world of differnece.
heres the link in case you couldnt find it. This forum i so full of people talking about things they've never experienced or done.
clicky clicky
you are @!#$ retarded. you obviously know nothing about this subject so please dont sit here and try to tell me and all the other people in that thread that we are wrong. moving the pivot point of the shifter is what makes the throws shorter. if you do not believe me, start googling and read for yourself and yes there is a big difference between a stock shifter and short throw. i have had both and i have installed both so dont sit here and tell me i dont have experience with it. in the pic of in the transmission forum, the stock and b&m shifter are different. if you look from the bottom up to the ball, half way in between you can see what looks to be a mark on the shifter. from that mark to the bottom of the ball you can see the difference. the blue ball on the b&m shifter is also smaller than whats on the stock one. you asked how a short shifter works and i told you. so now your going to sit here and call me a liar?
Do some reading
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lol my last post....your comparing a stock shifter were comparing a cut shifter to a short throw shifter. IM saying I've driven a car with a cut shifter and a short throw...not a stock shifter. You obviouly havent driven a car with a cut shifter (not a stock shifter) b/c as you said with a sort throw shifter I experienced not read about not heard from my friend experienced both cars and i could just move my wrist and shift gears with both the short throw shifter and the cut shifter. Why do u keep comparing a stock shifter Im talking about a shifter that has been cut to be shorter. lol Im talking about what I have experienced so......as said Im done w/ this thread. You have a good life and enjoy your short shifter...if you even have one!
this is pointless
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wait a minute okay this is really my last post here. I actually humbled myself and read the information in the link you posted....lol....I dont think you read it...you couldn'nt have b/c it supports my theory and not yours lol heres the info in the section titled"Where's my chainsaw"
"Another way of changing the relationship of the lever in the shifter is by taking a more radical approach: Shorten the top of the lever. Using this approach, you can, effectively, shorten the throw down to just about nothing, but there is a cost: as you shorten the upper part of the lever, the force needed to move the bottom part increases. Any reduction in shift throw results in an increased effort regardless of the method you choose to shorten the throw. Remember how the lever works. Extending the length below the pivot ball as well as shortening the length above the pivot ball will result in increased shifting force Shortening the upper part of the lever is the heart of Ron’s idea for short shifting the MZ3. Although Ron chose to shorten the prototype levers 3/4, 1 1/8, and 1 1/2 inch, to equate with a 5% , 10% and 15% reduction, this distance could be any value in between."
So that feeling you felt was just it being stiffer....like I said above....lol....okay dude Im really done now, you have a nice day.
I wouldn't trade my b&m for a shortened stock shifter....
StrippedCav98 (Now Quotable) wrote:this is pointless
its a lose lose...you know this...
much <3 tho!!!
Ok, where to start.....
CUTTING YOUR STOCK SHIFTER ISN'T IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM THE SAME AS A SHORT THROW SHIFTER.
b&M short throw for ref.
When you cut your stock shifter you are not changing the throw. The throw is manipulated by the folcrum point of the shaft. Or the ball in this case.
Stock....these are just reference and not actual dimensions.
sayno2vtec _ sweet idea.
B&M's or other short throw STUPID shifters....
Yes I simplified it, and there are other angles involved, but I think this should cover it.
Sorry for the bad resolution. Just want to be fast and to the point.
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