Once this manifold is tested we will be sending it off to AMM Fab in Arizona for production. We are going to offer a substantial discount over the final run pieces for the first initial one. If you are interested in this manifold design, please shoot me a PM for details, and ONLY the first person.
Mark
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so about the IC system...single, dual or quad pass? fins inbetween tubing? did u get smoother tubing for the bends? add more of them in there?
Got the blower back on with great results. Ran it last night and got temps of 145 driving normal, turned the pump on and the IAT's dropped to 118. Drove it around this afternoon got temps around 165, I turned the pump on and in about 5 min or so the temps dropped to 125-130. More pics and vids up later.
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Here are some pics, manifold is FINALLY finished. Gonna run it this week and hopefully get a tune. Then its off to production.
Mark-OEM
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Jn2 wrote:so about the IC system...single, dual or quad pass? fins inbetween tubing? did u get smoother tubing for the bends? add more of them in there?
We wanted to test without fins first. Adding more and more inside the manifold might cool it better but will start to kill air flow.
Mark
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can you ever take a non blurry pic? postin same pic 2x=fail.
looks good in there.
my carDomain updated 8/10/09 Forged and no boost
any more pix or vids? its tomorrow already!
"It's called reading! Top to bottom, left to right... a group of words together is called a sentence. Take Tylenol for any headaches... Midol for any cramps."
Not sure about everyone else but i need to see some dyno numbers along with the specs to the LD9 motor, supercharger setup ect before i'd mass produce or start to sell these.
Just so you can compare apples to oranges aka m45 to the m62 conversion
JM Graphics / Need Decals? wrote:Not sure about everyone else but i need to see some dyno numbers along with the specs to the LD9 motor, supercharger setup ect before i'd mass produce or start to sell these.
Just so you can compare apples to oranges aka m45 to the m62 conversion
You can't even begin to do that when you are using a hacked up M45 manifold. The real unit would be so far different in design it will be apples to oranges.
OEM: Why do you want to sell the "prototype" unit? Why not just keep it for yourself?
FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!
He probably wants some funding for a production unit. In my opinion.
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PRND321 Till I DIE
Old Motor: 160whp & 152ft/lbs, 1/4 Mile 15.4 @88.2
M45 + LD9 + 4T40-E, GO GO GO
^^^ Pretty darn close. I am willing to give a substantial discount to a customer for doing so, dyno numbers, review, etc. I did my part in making the proto work, now I want to have someone buy a production piece at a very good price and get all the info out there people are lookin for. I am looking to sell this kit as I have alot of money in this and want to start another project. I already have the proto kit done, and sold pretty much. I am looking to see if someone is willing to do a review, dyno etc for a discount.
Oh and no, the production kits will be pretty much identical, o-ringed flanges, the whole 9 yards, you wont have to RTV on our kits.
Mark-OEM
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OEM wrote:^^^ Pretty darn close. I am willing to give a substantial discount to a customer for doing so, dyno numbers, review, etc. I did my part in making the proto work, now I want to have someone buy a production piece at a very good price and get all the info out there people are lookin for. I am looking to sell this kit as I have alot of money in this and want to start another project. I already have the proto kit done, and sold pretty much. I am looking to see if someone is willing to do a review, dyno etc for a discount.
Oh and no, the production kits will be pretty much identical, o-ringed flanges, the whole 9 yards, you wont have to RTV on our kits.
Mark-OEM
Are you saying you are looking for somone to dyno, reveiw, ect the prototype the prototype for a discount?
Why go the O-ring route? Why not the laser cut gasket?
FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!
i initially wrote down a big rant, but will bring it down to a few simple suggestions and comments..
-your manifold will fail if you leave it how it is
-you should have listened to my suggestions
-your internal system will not keep up with the m62
if you have any Q's or want to hear more suggestions let me know...
Thanks. With all do respect, yes it will. I ran the car as hard as I could under no boost, maxed out the map sensor and got the temps up around 160-170 on the IAT temps. I through the switch on the pump and the temps dropped to 120-125 within minutes. I know your part of Vulcan's team but none the less the manifold does work with no PSI loss. Our production systems will have a little more intricate cooling system and will be more efficient. I am not hear to bash anyone's design or be rude for that matter, so please don't do so yourself. If you would like to voice your opinion please do so, but don't be rude about it as I have not done so on your topic.
Mark-OEM
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oh no dont think of this as part of vulcan, im not really on their team, i am just a vendor...and my comment was a personal one...i made suggestions and you have dodged answering them...i come from the m62 community, and i can tell you 4 tubes running the way u run them, wont do what they are capable of doing...i suggested fins inbetwenn the tubing to help transfer heat from the air to the tubes, i suggested running a single or dual pass system, that way the coolant going thru the system doesnt have to do it sbest on 1 tube than heat soak on the rest....i really want to save sometime and not have to draw up a diagram of what i am talking about...but if i have to i will work on it,
px; once again this is not a attack, just me wanting to know why u would not listen to someone who is only trying to help you make a better manifold
that is a laminova core, as you can see se, it has fins to xfer heat from the charged air to the tube that flow water thru it, and lemme tell you, 4 or those cores(bigger than ur finless tubes) dont do a good enough job. and i can bet those cores can xfer heat better than your tubes do...now that being said, what does that say for you application? once again i am trying to help...i have looked over ur design and i have decided to share it with the rest of the cobalt community to see what they think...
Wow. I'm really surprosed you had to go post this on another site to get support.
FU Tuning
mark-did you really powdercoat the godzilla NEON GREEN?!!?
lol. very interested in seeing numbers.
Familiar Taste of Poison.
John Higgins wrote:Wow. I'm really surprosed you had to go post this on another site to get support.
had to do it so they can see non biased responses...they though i was only saying what i said bc i was affiliated with vulcan turbo...im not bashing the design bc its competition, im bashing it bc i know it wont be enough to cool the m62 charge air temps down
I would say you were right but seeing as I did some test with it already and its showing great results. If the unit did not cool the air and lower the temps then I would take the bashing but since it does work I am gonna have to tell you to back off and please stop posting on my topic as your comments are not true.
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Jn2 wrote:John Higgins wrote:Wow. I'm really surprosed you had to go post this on another site to get support.
had to do it so they can see non biased responses...they though i was only saying what i said bc i was affiliated with vulcan turbo...im not bashing the design bc its competition, im bashing it bc i know it wont be enough to cool the m62 charge air temps down
Here is my take on this sh!t.....
The MP62, at about 10000-12000 RPM will net around 600-700 CFM, With less boost.
With out a Inter-cooler\After-cooler, the IAT temps will be the same If not LOWER then a MP45 at the same CFM and 15500 Rpm...
Fact.
Case in point, and you all seem to hate this, I don't know why...sh!t smurfing works, You spray WATER in to the Charger BEFORE the rotors (weird right?) and in under 3 Seconds you intake air, no matter what the Ambient temps are, becomes 75 Degrees, and the mist also helps Kill detonation.
To conclude, this "hacked up" M45 Manie, with the M62 will work great. If I still had my damn 02 Z24 I would buy this just to show all you that it dose.....
as for the core's that GM uses... it works.. there is better out there, but this works.
Function>Form.
Chris
'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08
