I have had my alky nozzle installed before my throttle body for about 2 years now. No problems with the liquid getting into my tps and destroying it at all.
I am considering installing it into my throttle body spacer I have sitting in my room.
So.......Performance wise, would I be better off leaving it where it is..........or should I mount it into the tb spacer?
Comments and opinions are greatly appreciated!
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I would make sure it sprays towards the sc not towards the wall on the other side intake or tb spacer. You want it going with the flow of the air not spraying into a cross wind. I would highly reccomend doing it a spacer. I might throw up a few pics of what I am talking about later.
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The way I have it now is with a angle adapter and its aiming right at the throttlebody/supercharger now, but I was gonna put it in the spacer, thought it would be better closer.......
Please put up pics of your's, Thanks Wade
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Id also like to see pics Wade
I have the tb spacer, but still need to pick up the alchy kit
I will post up pics when I get home. The pics are on my home computer and I am at work. I just checked my photobucket and I do not have them uploaded on there yet. From the sounds of it I pretty much have the same setup as you. The one thing I must note is that you need to drill the hole in your tb spacer as close to the sc side as possible without busting through the edge. Reason being is that otherwise the tb butterfly will not open fully because it will hit against the 90 degree elbow holding the nozzle. Be sure and use a centerpuch to give your drill bit a hole to start in otherwise is could wander wich would not be good since you are trying to drill as close to the edge as possible.
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I am interested in the pics too. I just ordered my spacer so I can start my Alky install
Jason
99 Z24 Supercharged
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im too lazy to take pics of my setup lol
Quick question, did anyone smooth out the inside of the spacer to remove the ridges inside? I was going to but dont realy know if its worth the effort.
Bobby I would use the spacer. Main reason in me saying this is it should allow more of the meth into the air of the charger making a slightly better improvement. Going before the TB you have to deal with the butterfly and what not. I'm in no way saying it will be a big difference, but I think it would be slightly better.
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icemike89(not turbo) wrote:Quick question, did anyone smooth out the inside of the spacer to remove the ridges inside? I was going to but dont realy know if its worth the effort.
Yes and no on that one. The OBX brand I have is 56mm originaly and then I had mine bored to 60mm. It almost but not quite got rid of the ridges.
The silver thing on the outside is the devils own one way check valve. The hole I drilled through is 11/32 diameter and then was threaded using a 1/8 - 27 national pipe thread (NPT) going into the spacer halfway and then I threaded it from inside the whole going out.
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WOW that thing is that big. I do not like that being in the passage fo the air like that. I thought they were really small.
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Thanks for the pics. I was actually thinking about installing the nozzle without the right angle, since it is so f'n big, cause mine is big like that right now.......I think I'll experiment. Thanks again Wade
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I have my set exactly like Wade Jarvis. In my opinion it is the best set up as you are spraying with the flow of air, rather then at a 90 degree angle to it. I don't know if there is much advantage to it vs going 90 to the air flow but I personally like to make things flow as smoothly as possible and there for I put the 90 elbow on to it.
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Every alky Injection system I have used says to put it at 90 to the air flow and NOT to ever have it flow with the air. Reason being is the nozzles cone like spray pattern. When the cone faces the direction of air flow you get highly concentrated water tension on the walls of your air ducting so in a sense it quickly pulls atomized particles of liquid out of the air flow, this causes A: much less liquid to reach its destination and B: backwash/puddling. When the cone is 90 with the air flow direction the air flow quickly redirects the atomized dropplets to its destination. this eliminates the water build up on the walls. Well I tested this idea myself with my M62 J. I gotta tell you the results were well on par with what the injection manufactures recommended. The difference was immediate. Backwash wash was the most noticed as you would constantly get fluid running back out the intake system after shut down well this tells you right away that the fluid was puddling and condensating on the walls of the intake track. Those running the system after the TB would be less likely to see the backwash because yours is collecting in the manifold. Add food coloring if you wanna see it. Anyway I just thought I would let you guys know what my personal results were from testing the two different angles where as I see most people in this thread are going with the flow of air direction. I sorta have this thing where I like to test things out to see how it actually is working, lol
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TB spacer FTW. Worked wonders when I had the s/c on. I didn't bother with a 90* elbow. I didn't like how it took up so much space. Plus there is so much airflow going by, it's not going to matter how you have it oriented. I sprayed mine straight in and never had any problems whatsoever.
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I had mine mounted 6 inchs before the throttle body. Kind of pointed straight in. Worked great for me.
I also upgraded to a m4 injector.
Good stuff for sure.
i saw lower intake air temps, and a faster drop in them when i pointed the nozzle at the T\B.... never got around to doing the TB spacer thing.
Chris
'02 Z-24 Supercharged
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I am going to install a kit on my turbo eco. I was planing on going post FMIC Pre IAT Sensor and then using HPT to adjust timing based on temp.
I will have to do a quick test externally to see where exactly I want to put it in my pipe based on the spray pattern.
If the pattern is very wide and doesn't spray deep (like a short mushroom) then I will screw it straight in... would be 90 degrees to air flow.
If the pattern is narrow and mists outward then I will place it on a 90 bend in the pipe in such a way that it sprays in the direction of the air flow.
since every nozzle is different and depending on the PSI of the pump you are using you will get a different spray pattern. The best thing to do is to test it off the car and then make a decision as to where to place it.
my .02
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[quote=CaliforniaDomestics®]Every alky Injection system I have used says to put it at 90 to the air flow and NOT to ever have it flow with the air. Reason being is the nozzles cone like spray pattern. When the cone faces the direction of air flow you get highly concentrated water tension on the walls of your air ducting so in a sense it quickly pulls atomized particles of liquid out of the air flow, this causes A: much less liquid to reach its destination and B: backwash/puddling. When the cone is 90 with the air flow direction the air flow quickly redirects the atomized dropplets to its destination. this eliminates the water build up on the walls. Well I tested this idea myself with my M62 J. I gotta tell you the results were well on par with what the injection manufactures recommended. The difference was immediate. Backwash wash was the most noticed as you would constantly get fluid running back out the intake system after shut down well this tells you right away that the fluid was puddling and condensating on the walls of the intake track. Those running the system after the TB would be less likely to see the backwash because yours is collecting in the manifold. Add food coloring if you wanna see it. Anyway I just thought I would let you guys know what my personal results were from testing the two different angles where as I see most people in this thread are going with the flow of air direction. I sorta have this thing where I like to test things out to see how it actually is working, lol
I agree with that, but not when running a roots s/c'er. If you were to run a turbo set up i would agree about putting it 90degrees to the air flow.
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blue car (R.I.P) - 240whp @7psi..
silver car - 305whp 315lbs.tq @15psi (91 Octane) or 420whp & 425lbs.TQ @20psi (94 octane+Alcohol Injection)
All dynos run on a Mustang dyno
Wade Jarvis wrote:icemike89(not turbo) wrote:Quick question, did anyone smooth out the inside of the spacer to remove the ridges inside? I was going to but dont realy know if its worth the effort.
Yes and no on that one. The OBX brand I have is 56mm originaly and then I had mine bored to 60mm. It almost but not quite got rid of the ridges.
The silver thing on the outside is the devils own one way check valve. The hole I drilled through is 11/32 diameter and then was threaded using a 1/8 - 27 national pipe thread (NPT) going into the spacer halfway and then I threaded it from inside the whole going out.
Where did you get the 90 degree fitting??? My snow performance kit did not have one in it
Jason
99 Z24 Supercharged
157hp/171tq - NA
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^ run down to your local hardware store in the brass fitting aisle.
ALso in that picture i see he has the push in type connector where the hose goes into. THEM are the best to have. Easy to take on and off if need be and dont leak.
yeah, you want the spray pattern 90 degrees to the flow of air. EVERY WI manufacturer will tell you that, it mixes better. If your worried about puddling you have too large of injectors. you only need 170cc's/min of water for every 300hp. after that your just wasting combustion space that could have been used for air and fuel. Most people have 2x+ more WI than they really need. So puddling should NEVER happen...ever....ever ever....ever ever EVER. /end rant.
Anyway, yes, ask ANY WI kit manufacturer who has done testing and they will tell you that 90degrees from the direction of air flow gives the best results in mixing and absorption to raise the humidity and lower the temperature of the incoming air.
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I'm thinking of placing my nozzle at the inlet of my fmic.
For anyone who tapped a spacer, what size drill bit and tap did you use?
