ok..I got some cash comming in a few months.. I am going to build a cavalier 2200 with a custom turbo kit.. this is what I am going to use

mitsubishi 16g turbo
stock dsm o2 manifold and wastegate
1g dsm BOV
some manual boost controller.. most likely greddy
custom IC piping
SSAC or other inexpensive front mount IC
hp tuners
walbro 255lph pump
aeromotive adjustable fuel pressure regulator
some big injectors.. like 400 to 440... dont know which brand yet

in the motor
aftermarket rods and pistons
higher ratio rocker arms
full valvetrain build
some performance cams
aftermarket oil pump
badass head gasket
arp headbolts or equivalent

now, I will most likely consider a z24 or ecotec swap in the future, but I dont want more than 300 hp for the street right now.. I am very familiar with cars, and owned turbo'd cars, so I know what all this entails..

but what I need to know is these questions

where can I get a turbo manifold that will fit mistsu style turbos, like 14b or 16g?

where can I get aftermarket parts for my car, like exhaust, engine internals, cams, motor mounts, clutch, throttle body, intake manifold, injectors, etc..?

Where do I tap for oil going into the turbo?

I used to have a 98 cavalier rs and I would like to have the same body style and what not, except turbocharged.. haha

any help would be appreciated.. I still have a 14b turbo.. Anyone ever use that?

ok.. well.. I found all the parts Im looking for except the manifold.. Im thinking of making one.. are there any write ups on this? where can I get the flange for the turbo and the head?

just get the log manifold from ebay tell them you have the 2200 and need the 14b flange

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CAVALIER-SUNFIRE-TURBO-MANIFOLD-2-4L-z24-2-2L-2200_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ002QQitemZ120214311084QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

wow... dope @!#$...

how does hptuners work for tuning? Does anyone here use it? cause I am not going piggyback.. I want to control the ecu as best as I can.. as long as I can datalog and tune it on a laptop only, then I can dyno tune it myself...

will DSM injectors work in 98 and up 2200's? cause I can get them back from a friend, and they are 440's... I can also rewire it too, if needed....

IF youre going to get a z24 or Ecotec anyways, why spend all the time and money boosting the 2200. It's not a very strong motor (especially compared to eco's and z24's) and you cant just use the same setup off a 2200 on any other engine. dont spend the time and effort tuning and paying for a motor youre just going to swap out. By saying youre going to swap, you already know the 2200 is inferior, so why do it?



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because I can have a built, boosted 2200 for less than a boosted ecotec.. I wont have to go looking all over the place trying to swap parts in, when I can get a used 2200 longblock, build it, get the stuff for my turbo very easily, and still end up probably 1500 to 2000 bucks shy of the ecotec swap, with the turbo..

there is more stuff you have to get to swap an ecotec in the 98 than 2000 and up..

No one has anything like this around here..

the motors are dirt cheap, so If I snap a rod and screw up the block, no biggie..

I can still make 250 + hp with a custom turbo, LSD, a built 2200 (which is cast iron), and supporting mods.. I can have a boosted cavalier, with the stock motor, and hit 13's, and this will be my daily driver..

when I retire the car from daily driver status, then I will swap the ecotec..

That's why I want to boost this motor.. Dont underestimate it.. Its not the best motor, but dont judge it by the fact the it puts out garbage hp stock..

D series SOHC honda 1.6 liter motors, with a stock motor and a junkyard turbo, can easily make over 200 hp... with it built, you can vvveeerrrryy easily have 400 hp with these motors.. I have seen it and helped build them...

Im not going to run the motor stock.. Im going to do a full build, and run between 12-16 psi on the motor....

now that we are done with WHY I dont want to do this, lets get back to the qeustions...

how does hptuners work for tuning? Does anyone here use it? cause I am not going piggyback.. I want to control the ecu as best as I can.. as long as I can datalog and tune it on a laptop only, then I can dyno tune it myself...

will DSM injectors work in 98 and up 2200's? cause I can get them back from a friend, and they are 440's... I can also rewire it too, if needed....

i agree with adam on this... if you are planning to swap, do that first, gonna have a lot better results that way. Im currently boosting my cav. Its an eco and im gonna have about 4K into it all said and done, your gonna spend that to boost the 2200. then swap the eco, then boost that and use very few of the 2200 parts for the eco turbo kit. then be stuck with all the parts and get low dollar for them on here or ebay. id listen to the man when it comes to turbo...

like I said.. I am putting together my own kit... to build the motor, and get all the stuff for the turbo kit, I will spend less than 4000 altogether, and have it tuned...

I want to boost a 2200... not an ecotec... and besides.. I would have to do the swap, then build the motor.. rather just have another 2200 off to the side that I am building.. I just want an inexpensive boosted car, and this will suit just fine without going to honda again. I have had too many already.. I want something different..

and you 2 dont even know how hard it would be to just swap... your cars came stock with ecotecs, right?

its too much to go through to make the power I wanna make if I did the swap and all that..

most people who tune are always thinking about how to be a 7 second street car... haha.. Im not trying to be the fastest... so I swap the ecotec in now, and now I CAN make 600 hp... lol... cool, but I dont need it...

I have been in plenty of fast cars, and will build more cars faster than this... Im a REAL racer.. I take my race cars to the track.. but I do like performance in the street...

again.. that is why I am doing a 2200..

so can the next person, instead of criticizing this, offer something helpful?

how does hptuners work for tuning? Does anyone here use it? cause I am not going piggyback.. I want to control the ecu as best as I can.. as long as I can datalog and tune it on a laptop only, then I can dyno tune it myself...

will DSM injectors work in 98 and up 2200's? cause I can get them back from a friend, and they are 440's... I can also rewire it too, if needed....

Check the tuning forum for questions on tuning...

Here is one piece of advice I will give you though, and anybody here will tell you the same thing. DO NOT TURBO YOUR DAILY DRIVER. You have a lot of mods "planned", they are going to give you a LOT of down time. For example, my cavalier was my daily driver, I turbo'd it, ended up HAVING to buy a mustang for a new daily driver. I've done all the right things to my car, and I've only put about 1500 boosted miles on it in 2.5 years. I'm more of an exception than the rule, but the point is that you will have problems, and you will be without a car for some extended periods, so you need to have a plan for those situations.





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I have built boosted daily drivers for myself on 2 occasions.. I know what it entails.. and my job is down the street, and we have another car.. my girls car.. thats not a bad thing if it goes done a lil, but when I do build the motor and turbo kit, I am getting EVERYTHING before it goes in.... Full engine managment, full engine build, full fuel system.. the works

I will refer to the tuning section for that.. thanks

what about the injectors.. is there a way to get them to fit.. or do I have to buy some from rc....

I think you took my post in the wrong way...

All I meant was IF you plan on swapping don't waste the time and effort on your first motor. I would say the same thing if you wanted to go from an Ecotec to a 2200. That is money you're throwing away no matter what engine you start with and what engine you end with. If you don't plan on a swap, then boost the 2200, there is nothing I have against boosting any motor whether its strong or weak doesnt matter, no motor is complete without a turbo in opinoin .

And although I have never done an actual motor swap myself, I do know the pain, time, and money it takes. Trust me, just taking my own motor out is no easy take, let alone putting a different one back in lol.



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yeah... getting an ecotec in a pre 2000 cavi is a pain.. so I am just going to do the 2200... jesus.. lol forget I said swap....

but yeah..

http://www.jtuners.com/product_info.php?pName=22l-2200-turbo-kit&cName=turbo-kits&osCsid=c25f3e68b085379b57df9472bdfba771

this seems to be a nice bolt on kit, and I can make my own intercooler piping and use my boys old intercooler off of his evo... so, for 2500 for the turbo kit, and about 300 for the piping and intercooler. I would have a boosted one.. thats good, and the turbo for sure has more room to grow, because I have seen those in action.. then its just fuel system, tuning and clutch... right that would have me right around 4000 bucks... and by the time I had all that in, I would already have the build motor sitting in the garage waiting.. and I would already have upgraded clutch, flywheel, and exhaust... I think I would be kosher...

ahhhh.. screw it.. I already have a 14b, and that will save me 300 bucks on a turbo.. a manifold wont be over 150, if I decide to make it it will be less though..

Im doing it the right way.. my way.. haha...

the 2200 is not a "weak" motor thats for sure... stock if your looking at the power it puts out, yes its "weaker" but street driven - barely noticeable from my experience stock for stock over an ecotec ... a whopping 15 ft lbs of torque and 25 hp is not much unless your looking at numbers put down at the track. (but thats for a different topic... )

so for a fun lil street car, a 2200 can do that without hesitation ... its surprising how much it takes to just being opened up a bit.

I have a boosted 2200 daily driven, that has just about 3k miles on it (boosted) and is doing great so far... takes some time to work out the kinks at first but really, just make sure u tune it right and don't throw something unreasonable at it and you shouldn't really have any problems.

as far as injectors... im using stock cobalt ss/sc (36 lb) injectors. they fit fine, all you have to do is oval out the holes in the fuel rail bracket to mount the bracket a lil lower to compensate for the shorter style injector.

i also am using HPT to tune the fueling/spark etc... its perfect for everything, the only thing you will encounter that makes most j-bodies more difficult to tune is they fuel by TPS VS RPM (unless ur lucky enough to get a 97 wiith the speed density PCM) ... which makes fueling under boost harder as it doesn't really compensate for the added air. I managed to get mine pretty much where i want it with only using HPT... so just make sure you monitor it and make sure it doesn't lean out on you.

hope that helps?

Dammit Jess it just gets me all bothered when you spiel tuning and boost info.

I love it.

is jtuners still around im lookin for a cometic head gasket for my 2200 build and i might get it from them if they are still around?

Adam Lewis wrote:is jtuners still around im lookin for a cometic head gasket for my 2200 build and i might get it from them if they are still around?

If I remember correctly thats where I got mine... maybe 6-8 months ago

JooDrivinHondaKilla wrote:wow... dope @!#$...

how does hptuners work for tuning? Does anyone here use it? cause I am not going piggyback.. I want to control the ecu as best as I can.. as long as I can datalog and tune it on a laptop only, then I can dyno tune it myself...

will DSM injectors work in 98 and up 2200's? cause I can get them back from a friend, and they are 440's... I can also rewire it too, if needed....

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JooDrivinHondaKilla wrote:ok..I got some cash comming in a few months.. I am going to build a cavalier 2200 with a custom turbo kit.. this is what I am going to use
in the motor
aftermarket rods and pistons
higher ratio rocker arms
full valvetrain build
some performance cams
aftermarket oil pump
badass head gasket
arp headbolts or equivalent

now, I will most likely consider a z24 or ecotec swap in the future, but I dont want more than 300 hp for the street right now.. I am very familiar with cars, and owned turbo'd cars, so I know what all this entails..

If you don't want more then 300 hp for the street now then why go through all the hassle of building up the engine? I have read you can get 250 hp out of a properly tuned stock engine on turbo. If you are looking at swapping in the future save the money and don't bother building the block. The only reason I you would do any of those upgrades is to get more then 300 hp.

If anything just do a good P&P in the head and go with a larger throttle body.

JsUn wrote:

JooDrivinHondaKilla wrote:ok..I got some cash comming in a few months.. I am going to build a cavalier 2200 with a custom turbo kit.. this is what I am going to use
in the motor
aftermarket rods and pistons
higher ratio rocker arms
full valvetrain build
some performance cams
aftermarket oil pump
badass head gasket
arp headbolts or equivalent

now, I will most likely consider a z24 or ecotec swap in the future, but I dont want more than 300 hp for the street right now.. I am very familiar with cars, and owned turbo'd cars, so I know what all this entails..

If you don't want more then 300 hp for the street now then why go through all the hassle of building up the engine? I have read you can get 250 hp out of a properly tuned stock engine on turbo. If you are looking at swapping in the future save the money and don't bother building the block. The only reason I you would do any of those upgrades is to get more then 300 hp.

If anything just do a good P&P in the head and go with a larger throttle body.

Good luck getting anywhere near that with a bone stock 2200!

One more reason to start out with an eco swap, with a set of rods and pistons (which cost about the same as youll spend repairing your turbo after your done picking 2200 parts out of it)



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BlackEco wrote:

Good luck getting anywhere near that with a bone stock 2200!

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Jazer, I'm curious how much power your car puts out. I checked your list of mods your motor is definitely far from stock. I also checked the top hp list (I know it doesnt have all the possible cars on it) and only 2 have passed 240 whp (approximately 300 hp) with an LN2, and none above 300 whp at all, and I doubt those two were using a bone stock LN2. 300 hp in any stock 4 cylinder is pushing it. Ryne Hoover hit just over 300 whp with 16 psi in an ecotec which eventually ended up blowing up and you would be a fool to say an ecotec isn't a stronger motor stock than an LN2. Is it possible with a built motor? I don't see why not, but stock...I'm sorry, I'll believe it when i see it.



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I am also curious the exact numbers mine is putting down, but all i have is estimates based on similar builds as well as what I've seen it do..

My head is modified but my block is still sitting 100% stock...and Imphat0260 is running a very similar build as mine(i believe hes posted his numbers on that list) hit very respectable numbers on his old set up and ESPECIALLY his new set up which im not sure hes released those numbers yet on the org, but he did that on a STOCK BLOCK.

yes there has only been a few to hit mid 200s or above in the LN2.. but take a look at that list and compare it to the length of the eco's list. FAR LESS people mod and go through with the LN2 and in all honesty I see a lot of that being due to negative talk about the motor, so a lot of people shy away from putting money into it. Any motor has potential. Alot of people tend to follow the crowd and thats another thing.... I wouldn't trade my underdog for anything

And when you are using weaker/stronger to describe them, are you referring to its power or literally how strong it is and how much it will take. The LN2 is one hell of a "work horse" and I certainly wouldn't think of it as weak, its built for its reliability and its one solid engine. I know a few that have tried and are trying to blow theres up and they just don't die, lol.

Like I said before, STOCK for STOCK, yes the L61/Ld9 are faster, but driving on the street its really not much of a noticeable difference for the most part. When put on the track, the numbers certainly are better in the L61/LD9 vs the LN2, again comparing them as stock cars. I drove an almost brand new 05 back when my OHV was still stock and I had doubts in it, and i was actually disappointed because i was expecting the Eco to actually feel quite a bit faster/have a lil more jump to it... that was my turning point, and I decided to follow through with the engine that was already sitting in my car. I have absolutely no regrets.

I compare weaker/stronger based on the punishment the motor can take from boost, thanks for asking for clarification. If I really thought the LN2 was a horrible motor, I would say that. But what I'm talking about is relativity to an L61 or LD9. I commend you for taking the route less traveled, I prefer to do things differently when given the chance also.

It's just, in the research my father and I have done on the family of J motors/Ecotec motors, (L61, LN2, LSJ, LD9, LNF and LE5), the LN2 is the weakest (relative) to the rest. Can it be boosted? Of course. Can it make good power numbers? Of course. It just takes a little more work to the motor to get those numbers, that's all I'm saying.



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