i have been looking everywhere for a good turbo for my 2.2 that is also relatively cheap. i cant find anything on ebay because they all look like junk unless u buy the ones for 1k plus. i think im just going to give up on this custom crap and buy a kit made for my car. i cant find a friggin turbo manifold either.... if anyone can help im looking to make about 300 whp and i want a decent top end but fast spooling. and the manifold, none on ebay, none on google search and none here. that ccfab place wont even return my emails. i will be very greatful for any help cuz im pulling my hair out...
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and yeah, those guys are way too expensive and offer no upgrade options..
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First I'm pretty sure the old 2.2's had the isuzu tranny.
Second your gonna have to do a good bit of internal work to that engine to start pulling 300HP. The boost would otherwise blow that engine at that power level.
-Chris
ok, first of all my car is a 2002, second i put the tranny in it so i know its a getrag and third, all internals will be forged...
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Lime wrote:and yeah, those guys are way too expensive and offer no upgrade options..
Its not like you can't upgrade it yourself with non-hahn parts.
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Quality stuff costs money. Either buy good stuff, or buy the cheap @!#$ that breaks, and end up needing to buy the good stuff anyway. You can't have the best of both worlds, cheap and quality, it just doesn't exist. I cheaped out on a turbo, ended up buying... hold your breath... 3 of them in the end. Cheaped out on a manifold, ended up buying two. Cheaped out on oil return, ended up needing two (thanks again Brian). Get the picture?
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ok, well then i need to know what turbo and t3 manifold i need to make 300 whp and were to get them from cuz i have looked everywhere.
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if you did the tranny swap then swap in an ecotec as well, its a much better starting point.
There is no "bolt on solution" for what your wanting because no one has tried to make that much power out of a 2200 yet. Most likely because its not worth the effort.
Anyway you look at it this is going to cost A LOT of money. So the first step would be to start saving, and call up hahn to tell them you need a kit to support 300HP on a 2200.
Hahn may be expensive but your gettin a kit that is engineered for your car.
If your not willing to spend the money to do it right, just stop right now and buy a faster car.
-Chris
IamRascal wrote:if you did the tranny swap then swap in an ecotec as well, its a much better starting point.
The Getrag does not just bolt up to the Eco OR the 2.2 (or the 2.4 for that matter). Just like the Isuzu had different bell housings for the 2.2 and 2.4, so does the Getrag for the 2.2, 2.4, Eco, 2.0 Eco, etc. Getrag is just the manufacturer, there are still different model numbers for the engines they went with. Internally they are the same for the 2.2, 2.4, and Eco, but the bell housing is very different. Because the bell housing is not separate from the transmission case, the entire case would need to be swapped in order for him to put that transmission on the Eco. At that point you're better off just buying the Getrag transmission meant for the eco in the first place.
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its cool, u know, u are right, it will take alot of effort and money so im not going to mod my cavalier anymore. ive decided to just save and buy something that can handle 300 hp and not a @!#$ty cavalier 2.2. obviously there is no point... sorry fellas, no offence intended. later yall
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Or just buy something with 300+ hp stock
Rob
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300 hp that weighs 2700 lbs... yeah not a gto
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Full Set of AutoMeter Gauges.
Believe it or not, you CAN have a good setup and not spend several thousands of dollars. Granted, the engine and driveline will need that kind of mone invested to handle the power, but for the turbo kit itself, It just takes a balance of patience and know-how. I agree with Shifted that you shouldn't skimp. I’m working on a really tight budget myself, but knowing where you can or can't get away with not having the top of the line product or a name brand stamped, that’s the key.
If you look around, you'll find that almost every manifold available for the J platform is made for a T3 turbo. But that doesn't mean you have to use a T3 if you don't want to. I can’t tell you what turbo to use, that’s where your research comes in. If it happens to not be a T3 turbo, you could always weld on a different flange to match whatever turbo choose to use. Hell, I'm using a Mitsubishi turbo for my setup, and there’s no manifold out there that will let me mount one of those. Even the Hahn Mitsubishi turbos have a T3 flange, so I went the custom route and built my own manifold with a standard Mitsu flange. I'm not saying use a Mitsubisi turbo, but you get the idea.
As far as ebay mainfolds go, they're out there, you jsut need to keep checking in. Not last week I was on ebay and found a couple log manifolds that'd work just as well as any custom piece. And like I said, you could always go custom if you don't like what you find. I went on today, didn't find any, but keep looking. Check in once every week or two. It takes patience.
In regards to the turbos you find on the internet, I’m assuming you’re looking at used turbos? If this is the case, don't let the exterior appearances fool you. Fact is that the constant heating and cooling, and being exposed to the elements, dirt, grease, it all makes turbos look nasty over time. All of that can be cleaned up to make the turbo look decent again. The thing to be most concerned about is the mechanical condition. If the seals are good, the center section spins freely, there's no excessive shaft play, minimal coking, and the housings don't show signs of cracking or warpage, then you should be fine.
That said, I would also say that the new $300 turbos on ebay are a bad idea. Maybe those are the ones you're referring to as being junk, and if that's the case, good for you for staying away from them. Too many people have had bad experiences with them and yeah, they come with a warranty. All tey're guaranteeing is it's a big piece of gorilla poo, which they will replace with yet another piece of gorilla poo after the first one goes to hell in a handbasket.
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thanks for the motivation man, i wanted at least 300 whp and if i cant make it with what i have then im not goin to try, i think im going to go with an non-turboed supra and just add the turbos and whatnot... i might keep the cavalier and do an engine swap so i can make more power...maybe the eco 2.2... but i just am not sure right now..thanks i do understand what u mean tho...good luck bro
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I think with a well built 2200 and a good sized turbo 300 is realistic. I've seen a 1.8 ls honda make damn near 300/300 on 14lbs. I figure the weak point in the OHV would be the pushrods, rods, and pistons along with the normal things. But @!#$ dude if you got a 2002 swap in the ecotec, it would be pie compared to what im going through. 300HP is easy on an eco....basic motor build and about 15lbs on a t3/t4 60 trim with .63ar.
PM me if you need help on where to find turbo parts...i have pieced together alot of honda kits and sold them so i know where to get different parts for decent prices. As far as a cheap turbo check out homemadeturbo.net and cheapturbo.net or .com, i forget. You can get good deals sometimes from those places, as far as Ebay stay away from their @!#$....unless you know exactly what you are looking for and can weed through the bogus no-name turbos.
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well i have decided to swap ecotec, will a 2003,2004 ecotec and trans swap right into the 2002 cavalier? or do i have to stick with a 2002 eco? and i have the 5 speed getrag trans will i have to swap that too? thanks
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XCal-2 With Tadds Tunes
Water/Methanol Injection
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You can swap whatever year you want. Jsut make sure to get the motor mounts, wiring harness, ECU, tranny, axles, all that stuff.
You could always hop on my other club's web site www.galantvr4.org and look for a VR4. They can be had for a couple grand and to make 300hp with one is about as hard as making toast.
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Thank you for making me laugh.
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If i was going to do a swap, i'd just swap in an old school small block chevy
Can build a nice 383 stroker making 400+ hp for alot less then a turbo setup
Also bolt it up to a turbo 350, and throw a rear end in that bad boy and you'd have a really fun cavvy
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no doubt man, hypsy...do u have anything better to contribute than noise?
man, im saying do an eco swap...THEN turbo it, you shouldnt have much trouble creating 300whp after that. and in any turbo setup, just make sure you have good knowledge and build the motor up the first time, then you wont be spending money later..which would be a PITA.
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Thank you for making me laugh.
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Just another in the long and ever growing reasons I'll never buy from or support this business.
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Lime wrote:well i have decided to swap ecotec, will a 2003,2004 ecotec and trans swap right into the 2002 cavalier? or do i have to stick with a 2002 eco? and i have the 5 speed getrag trans will i have to swap that too? thanks
Stop.
Why Ecotec?
Why not your current motor.
Do a $1000 engine swap...you have 140 horsepower.
-or-
spend a little more on your current motor....and have 225 hp.
The Ecotec with last you, but if it's just power you're looking for, stay with your current motor.
Seriously man, don't spend money you don't have to.
