I plan to redo my exhaust again, for like the 3rd time now; which I guess is because Im picky and everything Ive gotten has been pretty cheap. Started with a pacesetter header,magnaflow cat,pacesetter catback, and ditched the pace muffler for a ghetto dynomax st. Then got rid of the pacesetter header and magnaflow cat for an rk 4-2-1 with dynatech cat or something, also had alias's old 2.25 stainless and magnaflow 14" res but sold it. Now heres my final exhaust plan which I think Ill be pretty happy with: stans 4-2-1 header,no cat(yea yea I know),glasspack res,2.5" piping from customtubes,and a greddy ti fart can.
How do you guys think this setup will sound? I know Im prolly gona get bashed for going catless,plus it will prolly sound like ass, but do you think like an 18" res would quiet it down a good bit or should I get a 24"?IU know the greddy wouldnt help with being very quiet, but it should sound pretty deep. Im also thinking this setup will work best when Im sc'd soon.
Any input,sugguestions,or opinions are helpful.
since you won't have a cat in there, i'd run a second resonator, just to keep the noise down. the longer the resonator, the better. I'd go with whatever you can squeeze under there. other than that, it should sound pretty good.
icemike89 wrote:I plan to redo my exhaust again, for like the 3rd time now; which I guess is because Im picky and everything Ive gotten has been pretty cheap. Started with a pacesetter header,magnaflow cat,pacesetter catback, and ditched the pace muffler for a ghetto dynomax st. Then got rid of the pacesetter header and magnaflow cat for an rk 4-2-1 with dynatech cat or something, also had alias's old 2.25 stainless and magnaflow 14" res but sold it. Now heres my final exhaust plan which I think Ill be pretty happy with: stans 4-2-1 header,no cat(yea yea I know),glasspack res,2.5" piping from customtubes,and a greddy ti fart can.
How do you guys think this setup will sound? I know Im prolly gona get bashed for going catless,plus it will prolly sound like ass, but do you think like an 18" res would quiet it down a good bit or should I get a 24"?IU know the greddy wouldnt help with being very quiet, but it should sound pretty deep. Im also thinking this setup will work best when Im sc'd soon.
Any input,sugguestions,or opinions are helpful.
fart can is right i think it will sound like a honda ricer
i have the magnaflow cat back and love it has great sound when im in to it and very little whem im not which make me a bit of a sleeper when a s200 or a elise pulls up
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Thanks alias, I actually have an 11" test pipe resonator that I'll prolly put in place of the cat, then get like an 18" glasspack.
Yea it might be a fart can, but greddy mufflers are much better quality than some cheap ebay cannon muffler which most people use. Ive heard it in person on the cav it came off of and it was very deep, not ricey at all. Magnaflow catbacks on the other hand, Ive heard are pretty raspy even with just the catback alone;and dont they come with big fart can style mufflers?
icemike89 wrote:Thanks alias, I actually have an 11" test pipe resonator that I'll prolly put in place of the cat, then get like an 18" glasspack.
Yea it might be a fart can, but greddy mufflers are much better quality than some cheap ebay cannon muffler which most people use. Ive heard it in person on the cav it came off of and it was very deep, not ricey at all. Magnaflow catbacks on the other hand, Ive heard are pretty raspy even with just the catback alone;and dont they come with big fart can style mufflers?
no no its a regular style muffler but has a 4 in tip to give it away other wise it looks kinda stock
i will take my cam out and see if i cant get some sound capture while im griving but dont know how to post it
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icemike89 wrote:Yea it might be a fart can, but greddy mufflers are much better quality than some cheap ebay cannon muffler which most people use. Ive heard it in person on the cav it came off of and it was very deep, not ricey at all. Magnaflow catbacks on the other hand, Ive heard are pretty raspy even with just the catback alone;and dont they come with big fart can style mufflers?
The cav it came off of probably also had a cat still, too. Catless with a header and a canister style muffler is going to sound like a Rice Krispie treat no matter what, I'm afraid. I'd say the biggest resonator(s) you can fit under there and some earplugs...and I wouldn't expect it to be deep sounding either. Not without the cat. It's probably going to have a very harsh, raspy sound that'll only get worse in higher RPMs. After all, this is a 4 cylinder engine, not a big block V8.
Oh...and consider the fact too that if the sound attracts the attention of a cop, and he gets curious as to why it sounds so loud and looks under the car...you've now got yourself a lot more than just a "fix it" ticket for loud exhaust. Catless to me is just playing with fire...surprises me that you don't hear of people getting busted for it, what with the number of people getting tickets for loud exhausts. Only would take a cop a second to look...
I guess I should chime in some...First off, when I had magnaflow exhaust It sounded like s#!t. That exhaust system sounded a million times better than my magnaflow ever did. It was loud at idle and it was "catted", one thing I do remember is the muffler itself does a bit of sound deadening. Without a cat it'll be loud as balls, I remember what mine sounded like when I did that, and that was why a cat was on there...at least stick another resonator on there. Also my car was never raspy at low or high rpms catted or catless... so mike go for man, I gotta hear it when it's done.
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I think that with using an 11" res in place of the cat and then using an 18-24" glasspack would be quieter than just having a high flow cat by itself. I dont think it would bother me at all, there are many 4cyl's around me that are MUCH louder.
And I know that most of you would think that even though its a straight through muffler that it would be very loud and raspy, but Ive heard it and it sounded very nice and deep for an n/a 4cyl and wasnt raspy whatsoever. As stupid as it may sound, it did sound somewhat like a wrx/srt4.
Ed you should dig up some of your old exhaust vids and show these people
man digging through the archive just made me sad...there ya go
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Holloween xXx wrote:I guess I should chime in some...First off, when I had magnaflow exhaust It sounded like s#!t. That exhaust system sounded a million times better than my magnaflow ever did. It was loud at idle and it was "catted", one thing I do remember is the muffler itself does a bit of sound deadening. Without a cat it'll be loud as balls, I remember what mine sounded like when I did that, and that was why a cat was on there...at least stick another resonator on there. Also my car was never raspy at low or high rpms catted or catless... so mike go for man, I gotta hear it when it's done.
interesting did you have the 2.5 magnaflow cat back or the 2.25 magnaflow cat back because Rk will only sell the 2.25 because in less your running like 15lbs of boost or better 2.25 works and sounds just fine
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Thanks ed. Hopefully someday it will live on
SCZ2400, I think your a little off about the exhaust sizing lol. Theres guys on here pushing only around 6+ psi who have full 3" catless turboback exhausts. Im going 2.5" cause Im sc'ing soon, and even if Id plan to stay n/a I would prolly go 2.5" cause I would do a build
I can answer the cat question to a point. iPerformace will not sell their header without a cat. You could cut it off, but you're gonna pay for it anyways; you might as well use it. One good thing, if you're planning on sc'ing your car, is that stan's header has a 2 1/2" collector and cat. Should flow a little better. If I could do it over again, I would buy the uncoated setup and have it jethot coated. I started to get some peeling of the ceramic coating on the exhaust manifold flange.
As far as the magnaflow cat back, I eventually had a 14" magnapak welded in. It helped cut the rasp quite a bit, plus made it a little more quiet.
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A more accurate observation has never been typed. These should be the starting points before any serious performance modification. What's the point of making a serious performer if you can't control it's power?
SCZ2400 wrote:interesting did you have the 2.5 magnaflow cat back or the 2.25 magnaflow cat back because Rk will only sell the 2.25 because in less your running like 15lbs of boost or better 2.25 works and sounds just fine
Every car I've ever seen w/ magnaflow has sounded like crap...so why don't you prove me wrong, hmmm how about a video? Nothing against you but until then I won't believe it.
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Ill put a vid up of my car. Pacesetter, carsound, Magnaflow catback with a magnapack resonator/muffler. Sounds great at idle and till about 4000. Pretty much every 4 cyl with a high flow exhaust will be raspy in the higher rpms. And as of right now you can hear my intake over my exhaust!! Oh and also with the magnaflow catback it bottle necks at the flange so it can bolt to the stock cat. Put a real 2.25" flange on there and wow it makes a difference. I am pretty sure mine doesnt sound like @!#$!! If something is done right then it should sound decent, but if it is half a$$ed then it will sound like it!
Xavier Canon wrote:I can answer the cat question to a point. iPerformace will not sell their header without a cat. You could cut it off, but you're gonna pay for it anyways; you might as well use it. One good thing, if you're planning on sc'ing your car, is that stan's header has a 2 1/2" collector and cat. Should flow a little better. If I could do it over again, I would buy the uncoated setup and have it jethot coated. I started to get some peeling of the ceramic coating on the exhaust manifold flange.
As far as the magnaflow cat back, I eventually had a 14" magnapak welded in. It helped cut the rasp quite a bit, plus made it a little more quiet.
Got mine used off a guy here for pretty damn cheap, didnt have a cat so Im not worried about it. Its ceramic but no problems with peeling or anything.
sounds good mike....i wanna hear it when its done!
and PS....check the damn regional forums....thats goes for u too Ed
Just ordered an 18"(24" overall) flowtech glasspack. Ill be using my 11" res and then the 18" glasspack, which should be quiet enough for me and the muffler should make it pretty deep. I know it will still be raspy up top, but its a 4cyl...it happens
One question though, since Im adding all that length of resonators, is it worth even ordering pipng from custom tubes? I got quoted $193 shipped for 2.5" catback piping and hangers, but since Im adding another 2foot res I'll need about another 2foot of pipe taken off so the price should drop some; I would also have to pay about another $100 for a shop to weld everything up. So should I even order the piping from custom tubes or just take it to a shop and have them compression bend up some piping to finish the exhaust and weld it all up since the price of welding would be included with the cost to make the piping which realy wouldnt be too much piping due to the length of the resonators? Sorry if this is kinda confusing.
Ill see if I can borrow my friends camera to get a sound clip up when its all done
Maybe Ill have it done before that meet in white marsh on the 19th
^^ hmm, I should probably call on the status of my setup from those guys.
But, you're correct, you're probably better off just going with the compression bend.
Flowtech glasspack?
R usure its non restrictive?
-M
Remember....syringes go in the RED waste basket.
Yea Im thinking its kinda pointless to spend almost $200 on basically the over axle piping, then pay another $100 or so to weld it all up. I could prolly have a shop bend me up some piping and weld it all up for under $200, as the same shop made a catback for my friends 02 ls sport for $200. I realy dont think Im losing much with compression bent, but Im saving about $100
Oh and the flowtech glasspack is just straight through, with resonated material inse.
And mastin if you want that rk header it will be off the car in the next few weeks
^^ just check to make sure.
Summit lists it as louvered.
But other sights list it as glasspack.
Hopefully it's a straight through, I'd pick one up since is pretty cheap.
(not like that SS $100 thrush deal, lol)
Still interested in the header fo sho.
-M
Remember....syringes go in the RED waste basket.
icemike89 wrote:Ill see if I can borrow my friends camera to get a sound clip up when its all done Maybe Ill have it done before that meet in white marsh on the 19th
if thats the case ill have my camera and ill get a clip of it if you want
Cool. Didn't know you bought it used. I'm happy with the header and it's construction. I haven't had any problems beyond the coating.
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"The J's weren't designed to be sports cars, the suspension sucks, the brakes are tiny, and the target market for our car doesn't need to be able to do any more than 65mph." - Shifted
A more accurate observation has never been typed. These should be the starting points before any serious performance modification. What's the point of making a serious performer if you can't control it's power?
z= spec makes a 4-1 header that hooks in to you stock down pipe
http://www.z-spec.com/catalog
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No thanks, Id rather not deal with rsm(which is now z-spec)
Plus, their header is pretty much a pacesetter, which Ive already had. It doesnt connect to the stock downpipe, their downpipe just inst pictured. If you look at it, it has a 2 bolt flange, where ours is a 3 bolt. And Im not spending any more money on another header when Ive got a $700 header which is the style I want sitting next to me; of course, I didnt pay $700 for it and never would have bought one new.
