I'm trying to build a cheap system to work on my 96 cavalier for water/alcohol and my question is, do you really need to go with an expensive pump and a nitrous nozzle. Or could the washer pump and say a plastic nozzle from a spray bottle work?
I'm not opposed to getting a few nitrous express nozzles, some line and a nice pump, and maybe a vac switch i just need to figure out the best way to do it inexpensively. We're going to be supercharging her in about 4 months, and so i'm fitting the innercooler, water/alcohol spray first.
Never do anything cheap.
You mean inexpensive right?
take a look at some of the parts. maybe this can help by pointing you into a direction.
Try looking at coolingmist.com for kits. in fact, here I can link you directly.
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It's basically like the whole ethanol thing going on, except alcohol/water injection is normally wood alcohol (rubbing alcohol), not grain alcohol (beer, vodka, etc.).
You're boosting the octane and lowering piston surface temps, thus reducing detonation, thus allowing more power, at a more reliable level.
This is why I think we should boost ethanol production.
So does it allow more power or make more power? And is this like juice, switch it on to work?
How long does it last and if it makes power, how much does it make?
Basically, how is it compared to nitrous.
Thanks by the way.
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The only question that has been bothering me on this is... can it be used in conjuntion with N2O? I know that i can do a seperate system for when i turbo the car but would it have adverse effects if it is being used while I am spraying?
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ya u can.
coolingmist.com has a n/a kit on e bay now for 225$.
Riki Knight wrote:The only question that has been bothering me on this is... can it be used in conjuntion with N2O? I know that i can do a seperate system for when i turbo the car but would it have adverse effects if it is being used while I am spraying?
With NOS, water/methanol injection allows the use of full timing even with large (250HP+) quantities. Injection is controlled by the same means that controls NOS injection. so yes it can be used togeather...
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Yes to quote the second post, i meant inexpensively. After much research the kits are calibrated to precise levels hence the expense. I can build one with parts available to me for around $150, the DIY price.. Look up DSM water injection for DIY kits.
Basically, we're thinking of trying different nitrous express dry jets to find one that will myst well. If you don't get it to myst well, you get hydrolock.
I've heard of a kid around here who claims to have a 150 shot of Nitorus on his 2.2L, and using alchohol injection yet when i ask him to show me under the hood he says, find out the hard way. Some have thought this possible with the cooling that alco/water does, but others call it BS. Me i'm unsure.
so in theory... I could somewhat safely up a shot of nitrous past my 75 if i used alky at the same time... interesting. Not that i would do that. I was just curious
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You could technically run as much N20 that your heads could take without popping a head gasket if you run wet, but remember its all pressures that your head can take once you eliminate the threat of detonation.
dario wrote:so.. can anyone tell me how does it add power?
It doesn't add power. It prevents detonation. That means you can get more power from other means, like N2O or boost, without blowing up your engine.
If you just add this to a stock engine that's got no worries about detonation to begin with, then you really don't gain anything at all.
You only want to use this system when you hit a certain level of knock potential. Like with boost on stock internals, we've seen a cavalier running 14psi on stock internals using alky/water injection and no detonation, but this ride has only been running it for a few months, and he turns his boost down to 6psi when not running th alky/water. I loaded up my currently NA ride for it, and was able to advance timing quite a bit and get more power out of it but in all reality its only a good mod for boosted or N20 application.
The N20 application would need to spray water/alky when the mixtures went lean to prevent detonation. But most ppl i know are using a nitrous system that has fuel/nitrous jets.
So use the water/alky injection before using nitrous or during? And what are fuel/nitrous jets? I'm looking forward to buying a nitrous system over the summer, but I'm still somewhat of a noob when it comes to it.
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You have a few different types of n20 systems. There's dry shots, some use your fpr to get your fuel pressure higher to inject more fuel when you hit the nitrous, but they dont do fuel/nitrous together, then theres wet, that has 2 jets, an even fuel and nitrous matched jet. Then there's a fogger, and i dont know much about it, but that it does what it says its going to do. I think the fogger is a injector like your fuel injector that has an inlet for nitrous and for gas. Not sure, for more accurate info you should go to the nitrous oxide forum and ask in there.
As for the alky/water setup. When spraying nitrous, i believe you also have a 3rd solonoid hooked up to the alky/water setup and set to spray at the exact same time as your n20. The whole idea on alky/water is to prevent detonation, so naturally you want it to do so when it has a high risk of being there (mid spray).
