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I've been cruising around there site lately and found some of there stuff to be pretty cool. Particularly the CryO2 system, has anybody used this or have any experience with it? I think it would be pretty gnarly and you can find them fairly cheap on Ebay every now and again, whats your take on it?
Second the header wrap and silicone sealer that they offer. I have stainless steel header I got at a ridiculously cheap price so I lose the benefit of ceramic coating. The number one reason I never wrapped my header before is due to some advice I was given by a friend that said, the wrap will get wet, lock in moisture between usage and the moisture will ruin my header eventually, over time. Second was that wrapping the header sometimes results in warping/damaging the header. I obviously do not have experience with it so i was wondering, once again what the org thinks about it. Naturally wrapping and coating the header would negate the moisture problem but what about the warping?
I did some searching but it came back pretty much empty, so I'm looking to you guys for some info, appreciate anything you got.
They are good, guys. The cryo system is sitting in my garage so i cant tell you how good or bad it might be.
But do not under any circumstance use header wrap. It will destroy your header.
Thanks for the heads up man, I however forgot to ask does the CryO2 bottle and installation kit come with a bulb to put in the air intake or do you need to buy the air intake section as well, I couldn't tell from there website.
I'd prefer not to chop up my air intake for the sake of keeping the engine bay clean.
I've seen the cryo2 systems used before.
as an FYI Nitrous works 10x better in those systems and you'll use a lot less of it. You can frost your front intercooler and then shut it off.
-Chris
MRMEANR Racing wrote:El Fuego ( the grounded one ) wrote:
But do not under any circumstance use header wrap. It will destroy your header.
Using header wrap not only helps performance, it can protect your heard from the elements, preventing corrosion. If you use cheap wrap and or do it incorrectly, then you can mess things up... but dont say its bad... if it was, people wouldnt use it on thier $1200 eqaul lengths 
I suggest you do a search, this has been discussed over and over.
Yes it has a SMALL performance benift, However You are locking heat into the header, and causing it to become britle, Which inturn causes leaks and overall failure. It may protect from exterior corrosion, but its not the exterior you need to be worried about.
You see, during the heat cycle, meatl expands, but the wrap wont let it, and can build up moisture as well, till your header fails.
Example:
http://www.j-body.org/forums/search.php?f=2&search=header+wrap+&globalsearch=1&match=1&date=0&threadtype=&fldsubject=1
Alright I'll pass on the header wrap, they're in fine shape anyway, thanks for the clarification though.
What about the CryO2 system coming w/ a bulb to stick into your air intake?
El Fuego I'm counting on you...
IamRascal wrote:I've seen the cryo2 systems used before.
as an FYI Nitrous works 10x better in those systems and you'll use a lot less of it. You can frost your front intercooler and then shut it off.
Actually I have to disagree from experience, at least for the IC sprayer systems. I have tried both CO2 and Nitrous on the same day and saw the same results with both. Only difference is CO2 is half the price in most areas. It didn't do a lot unless the temp was above 75-80 degrees though so decide if you REALLY need a cool down. Best use is for HIGH boost levels where your IATs will skyrocket.
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
the application I was shown was a Mitsubishi Starion pushing arround 26lbs of boost. He had the bulb and sprayer
-Chris
Yeah at 26PSI your creating so much heat in the piping that the sprayers will help. But for a normal J application it isn't going to do a whole lot unless your running in hot temps.
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
the cry02 tank and install kit does not come with a tube/bulb for your intake. You need to purchase it seperately.
Part #: 080110 Air Intake - 3" O.D.
Part #: 080111 Air Intake - 2.5" O.D.
Part # 080119 Air Intake Bulb (with legs only, no hose)
stevefire wrote:the cry02 tank and install kit does not come with a tube/bulb for your intake. You need to purchase it seperately.
Part #: 080110 Air Intake - 3" O.D.
Part #: 080111 Air Intake - 2.5" O.D.
Part # 080119 Air Intake Bulb (with legs only, no hose)
Correct.
And as for Co2 refills are hell of a lot cheaper then filling Nitro bottles, And besides, Nitro is illegal just about everywhere, while Co2 is not.
Nitrous is NOT illegal at all. It is illegal to
USE ON THE STREETS. It is completely legal to sell and possess. If it was illegal I doubt you would see places advertising refills everywhere.
Common misconception about the law.
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
Team Vision Racing (aka hypsy) wrote:Nitrous is NOT illegal at all. It is illegal to USE ON THE STREETS. It is completely legal to sell and possess. If it was illegal I doubt you would see places advertising refills everywhere.
Common misconception about the law.
Heres a little info for you. In NY, it is illegal to have an empty Nitro bottle as well as a full bottle in your car. So yeah, the law is different everywhere. They are only legal at track, and you have a Registered ID for you to carry Nitro in your vehicle. The Registed ID costs $550 per Year here.
1) Please call it nitrous and not nitro. Nitro is a completely different substance.
2) You guys are getting @!#$ over up there. LOL.
I used to race cars, now I race myself.
5K PB: 24:50
10K PB: 54:26
Guys, thank you i appreciate it, you've answered all my questions. So far i've esimated this endeavor at about 460 dollars for the full Cry02 system, air intake and purge included. My next question is naturally is it worth it for my N/A 2.2 liter LN2 or should I consider a 55 wet shot of nitrous instead? Wiegh in the safety factors and prepping the engine the cost would be coming in close. Just looking for you thoughts and inputs, thanks again.
I know I have the choice of custom piecing together a CO2 sprayer, something to play around with maybe, but do you think nitrous is just the better outlet?
yea def not worth it on an NA car, you might get 5-10hp if your really lucky nitrous will give you far more
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
Using nitrous oxide to cool instead of go faster.... silly. Use CO2 instead, way cheaper....
Or for the posers that use nitrous oxide for purging instead of going faster... also stupid. Get a tank of CO2, much cheaper.
As for the legality of it.... here in BC, we all thought it was illegal. But it turns out, when you actually look at the law... it's not illegal at all. You can use it on any vehicle you want... however, the speed limit is still 50 km/h... and the highway 90 km/h.... so exceed that and you're breaking the law.
Transporting 100 pounds of it without displaying tags is bad.... but it's perfectly legal in BC. I suspect you'll find the same in many other provinces and states..... but the speeding issue will come up first
