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Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:38 PM
As yall can tell i have fart cans. I was young and has money to spend :-(

Now i am done with the outside of my car ( for now ) I am ready to fix it right. Just bought an injen Intake. Cost alot but i believe its worth the money

New 2.25" Exhust Setup I am thinking about

Pacesetter Ceramic Header ( $214.99 )
Catalytic Converters: Magnaflow Carsound OBD-II Stainless Hi-Flow 2.25" Cat ( $75.00 )
Single Exit Magnaflow Exhaust - Part # - 15761 ( $604.53 )


Need advice on this set up. Sound? Performace?






Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:23 PM
You can get that cat cheaper and that catback could be a lot cheaper if you have a shop make it. Get a nice magnaflow muffler and tip, take it to a shop and tell them you want a 2.25" catback made(not crush bent). Have them install the high flow as well and weld everything up. You can install the header first, so you don't have to pay the labor. Mine took about 3 hours for the header, cat and resonator.


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Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:45 AM
Topsub wrote:As yall can tell i have fart cans. I was young and has money to spend :-(

Now i am done with the outside of my car ( for now ) I am ready to fix it right. Just bought an injen Intake. Cost alot but i believe its worth the money

New 2.25" Exhust Setup I am thinking about

Pacesetter Ceramic Header ( $214.99 )
Catalytic Converters: Magnaflow Carsound OBD-II Stainless Hi-Flow 2.25" Cat ( $75.00 )
Single Exit Magnaflow Exhaust - Part # - 15761 ( $604.53 )


Need advice on this set up. Sound? Performace?
- Pacesetter Ceramic Header (cheap as you can find it)
- Magnaflow OBD-II Converter # 94035 ($67.51 @ justmagnaflow.com)
- Magnaflow cat-back is overpriced... maybe go custom 2.25" from an exhaust shop and spend half as much?
- Dynomax Thrush Magnum glasspack, 22" Case length & 27" Overall length ($20 @ summitracing.com)... could go bigger if you wanted.
- Magnaflow muffler of your choice (anywhere from like $60-120)

That's the way I would go. Might end up slightly cheaper... maybe not. Then again, I'm not a fan of the Magnaflow cat-backs. Performance of the setup you listed would be great. Not much different than any other header+2.25" converter+2.25" cat-back system, honestly. Sound is up to you. The high-flow converter will make things louder and raspier. Header will make things louder and raspier too. Magnaflow cat-back sounds nice by itself, and I think comes with a resonator already welded into it, but it might not be enough of a resonator to handle the extra respiness the header and converter will add. If you get all that stuff installed, and then decide it sounds a little too tinny or raspy then you can always go back and install your own resonator/glasspack. Still I wouldn't expect that setup to sound too bad.




Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:55 AM
on mine i have a high flow cat and custom mandrel bent pipe and a magnaflow muffler and it sounds raspy as hell. Will a resonator fix it?
Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:56 AM
from what i read yes. it will help the nosie and the sound of it





Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:58 AM
I'm in the same boat.. I got the fart can when I bought the car.. bad choice. I'm aiming now for something midway between stock sound and fartcan LOUD! Just a nice low sound that is not going to deafen me...
Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:59 AM
Rolando Flores Jr. wrote:on mine i have a high flow cat and custom mandrel bent pipe and a magnaflow muffler and it sounds raspy as hell. Will a resonator fix it?
No guarantees on making it totally gone, but definitely will help. That's the whole reason for me getting a glasspack in the first place, and it helped greatly. Definitely make sure you crawl under the car and measure how much useable straight pipe you have right after the converter up to the first bend to determine the length of resonator/glasspack you can get. No matter what, a resonator/glasspack will make the tone of the exhaust deeper at pretty much all RPM's.




Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:10 PM
i need get under my car and see, cuz seems like mostly everyone will need one.

DO you think what i bought i sould go ahead and get one, or just wait.





Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:23 PM
Topsub wrote:i need get under my car and see, cuz seems like mostly everyone will need one.

DO you think what i bought i sould go ahead and get one, or just wait.
It would be easier and less time-consuming to go ahead and get one and install everything at the same time, but I'd say you could go without the resonator for now, get everything installed, give all the components time to "break in", then at that time decide if you want one. That way, if you decide you don't need it after all, you haven't already wasted your money on it. Then again, a good one can be had for only $20, so you might wanna just go for it. It's your call, really.




Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:29 PM
what brand cuz i see ppl saying there are magnaflow ones but i can't find them anywere, then thte ones off summit i believe.






Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:30 PM
I haven't heard a N/A J body with an exhaust and no resonator that I have liked. They are all raspy, Some people like it raspy tho. I don't know how they think it sounds good. A guy around here has a 2200 cav with a cheap fart can and he swears his sounds better than my eco with a full exhaust including resonator. His is very very raspy, I don't understand it.


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Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:42 PM
do yall think the best place to get resonator is off summit? With me already spending as much money as i did if i can get a magnaflow one i will.





Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 2:03 PM
You can get a magnaflow if you want, I don't think they are worth the extra cost.


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Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 2:32 PM
but they do make them?

I browsed all magnaflow website and guess i am looking in wrong spot cuz i cant' find them listed

part numbers or anything?



Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:17 PM
How much will leaving the stock cat on hurt performance? Im wondering because I am presently working on my exhaust. Header/Resonator/2.25"Pipe. Is it a bad idea to do all of this and leave the stock cat on?


Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:20 PM
^^ i think its not recommended because it might restrict the flow of air. Just get a hi flow one.





Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:03 PM
Magnaflow does make them, Contact Jason at aplusperformance.

u2easy wrote:How much will leaving the stock cat on hurt performance? Im wondering because I am presently working on my exhaust. Header/Resonator/2.25"Pipe. Is it a bad idea to do all of this and leave the stock cat on?


Your exhaust is only as good as its smallest point. The stock cat is 1 7/8", You be the judge.


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Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Wednesday, March 08, 2006 6:54 PM
"Magnapacks" is what they call them



Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:24 PM
still can't find them..

any help?





Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Friday, March 10, 2006 6:47 AM
They, Magnaflow, doesn't make the glasspack/power packs anymore.

You can get the Thrush glasspack from summit.
2.25 inner 3.5" outter shell for about $25.
All preforated inner.


-M


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Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Friday, March 10, 2006 8:18 AM
I have sock 2" pipe on my ecotech, I just replaced the cat with a 2 1/4" high-flow, and got a $20 cherry bomb glass pack from auto zone and replaced the stock muffler with it. My exhaust note is the deepest I have ever heard from a cavi, it only gets raspy at full throttle above 5000 RPM. Just my personal experience.
As far as the performance side, a few months ago I tried a 2 1/4" mandrel custom cat back with a magnaflow muffler, it was a raspy starting from about 2500 RPM on up and I lost 2 thenth's in the 1/8th mile and lost butt-loads of torque in the low end. I switched it back and later that day I had my 2 thenth's back and I will never go back.
I sold the 2 1/4" cat back to a 2nd gen sunfire and he said he gained 3 thenths in the 1/8th, it really is your call as to what you want to do. Don't immediatley for the most expensive, you really have to consider exhaust characteristics and what other mods you have done, and what you plan on doing in the future.

P.S. Remember intake characteristics have a large effect on exhaust note too!

Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Friday, March 10, 2006 8:25 AM
johnathan probst wrote:P.S. Remember intake characteristics have a large effect on exhaust note too!


Sorry to break it to you but intake characteristics do no make a difference to the sound of your exhaust... Most people simply mistake the sound of the intake as part of the exhaust note. They really are two different systems and the resonance of one has no effect on the other.



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Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Friday, March 10, 2006 10:28 AM
Silver_00ZED24 wrote:
johnathan probst wrote:P.S. Remember intake characteristics have a large effect on exhaust note too!


Sorry to break it to you but intake characteristics do no make a difference to the sound of your exhaust... Most people simply mistake the sound of the intake as part of the exhaust note. They really are two different systems and the resonance of one has no effect on the other.


Really? then why when I took the resonator chamber off of my 92 ford probe did the stock exhaust get very raspy when before it was smooth and throaty?
Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Friday, March 10, 2006 10:35 AM
Well, if you removed the resonator from the exhaust that is pretty self explainitory isn't it?



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Re: Need Input, ( Exhaust SetUp )
Friday, March 10, 2006 10:42 AM
you don't know much about probe's do you? There is a resonator chamber on the intake under the intake tube after the air box, take it off and exhaust get raspy, Why? I speak from personal experience that intake characteristics DO affect exhaust note!
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