Im running 8:1 compression, should I bother getting the boosted HG or just get the n/a HG?
Will the boosted HG hold more boost because its thicker? (not really caring about compression aspect of it)
stevefire wrote:balance it... weird.
My 2200 crank was balanced with the Venolia pistons, Eagle rods, Total Seal rings, and Clevite bearings.
275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!
stevefire wrote:Will the boosted HG hold more boost because its thicker? (not really caring about compression aspect of it)
The thicker headgaskets do not "hold" boost more than a thinner headgasket. The thicker gasket will just lower the compression.
Oh yea, I paid $150 to have the entire rotating assembly balanced.
275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!
Yeah the 95-97 head gaskets are different than the 98+2200, because the 2200 has reverse fow cooling, meaning that the coolant goes to the head before the block.
I have a brand new SCE Pro Copper Head gasket if your interested. Its best to have to block machined with an o-ring to help things seal up, but not 100% nessecary.
50 bucks shipped and its yours.
Cometic never got a 95-97 head, the block is the same but they needed the 95-97 head so that they could design the gasket. Leo@JTuners was supposed to send them one but i guess it never happended. They may be able to build the gasket off just the head since they have the 2200 gasket as a template sort of,not sure.
Mike
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woops, I thought you had a pre 98 hg.
travis @ jtuners said they'll more then likely have the pre 98 hg's before March.
adler, Im not sure of the details of what they balanced, I was under the impression they were to balance the whole rotating assembly. I haven't seen my receipt yet.
Mike, that copper HG is probably for the 2200 if that's what you're running.. it'd be different, right?
If not, I may take that off your hands, I'll let you know.
I want MLS
................Which car will hit 400 whp first???................
stevefire wrote:woops, I thought you had a pre 98 hg.
travis @ jtuners said they'll more then likely have the pre 98 hg's before March.
adler, Im not sure of the details of what they balanced, I was under the impression they were to balance the whole rotating assembly. I haven't seen my receipt yet.
Mike, that copper HG is probably for the 2200 if that's what you're running.. it'd be different, right?
If not, I may take that off your hands, I'll let you know.
No the SCE Pro Copper head gasket is for 90-97 2.2L and i bought it thinking that all 2.2 used the same gasket, then i found out the 98+ used a different gasket, so it wont work on my engine. But it will work on yours.
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stevefire wrote:adler, Im not sure of the details of what they balanced, I was under the impression they were to balance the whole rotating assembly. I haven't seen my receipt yet.
The balance on a L4 isn't as critical as on other design engines, since the rod throws are 180 deg apart, though the crank still needs to be balanced. The critical issue with L4's is the reciprocating assembly, the weight stopping at TDC must match the weight at BDC, where the majority of the mass is rapidly changing direction. The reciprocating assemblies should be balanced with in 1gram(0.5gram for the most extreme motors and factory balances can be as high as
5 grams!), while the balance on the rotating mass can be much greater with little or no adverse consequences. In fact the factory balance on the crank will usually, but not always, suffice. A good balance shop should still check the crank, just to be on the safe side.
HotRodV6 wrote:As of right now ARP doesnt make a Main stud kit for the LN2 engine, just the head stud kit.
I am going to send my stock main bolts to JTuners and they are suppose to work with ARP and have a set of studs made.
i;ve had ARP main studs for over a year now.....
these were installed in FEB of 05....
Well do yu have an ARP part number for these studs, as id love to get a set.
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custom set.... back when cav connection was getting fed up with stuff, and really couldnt reach anyone... i had the machine shop go through arp, measure the block, threads, etc... and get a custom set made....
cost around the same though. i can check with the machine shop for any left paperwork...
No need, ive been on the phonje with ARP since thursday and they faxed me a custom calculaton sheet for a set of head and main studs.
I called them back yesterday afternoon with all the dimensions from my stock block and head and they are going to get back with me on monday with either an off the shelf kit that will work which is doubtfull or a custom set.
Mike
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Mike can you inform them that there would be more then just 1 person interested in a set, and if making more then 1 set at a time saves some coin, I am definately up for that.
stevefire wrote:Mike can you inform them that there would be more then just 1 person interested in a set, and if making more then 1 set at a time saves some coin, I am definately up for that.
third.
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
Will do for sure, im down for saving some coin.
Mike
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question is, does he mind doing the leg work for us?
haha oops, spoke too soon.
Well m enow have 2200 MLS gaskets because of me, so why not do alittle leg work on the studs to help out the rest of the J-body community.
Mine will still be faster anyways so im not scared.
Mike
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HotRodV6 wrote:Mine will still be faster anyways so im not scared.
ROFL! this made me laugh out loud, though I hope you are the fastest, I want someone to chase !
its lonely at the top!
ummmm...are we sure the mains for the 2.2L and 2200 are the same? just want to be sure, ya know?
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
OHV notec wrote:ummmm...are we sure the mains for the 2.2L and 2200 are the same? just want to be sure, ya know?
Yes from the block down they are the same for 95-02.
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HotRodV6 wrote:OHV notec wrote:ummmm...are we sure the mains for the 2.2L and 2200 are the same? just want to be sure, ya know?
Yes from the block down they are the same for 95-02.
pistons are different aren't they? (assumed after reading recent post about decking head...)
fortune cookie say:
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taken from ny jbodies:
"1997-‘99: The plastic lifter guide was much thicker in the middle beginning in 1997, so the mounting pads in the block were moved down 0.400".
They were now 0.790" below the deck surface. This block, c/n 24576035, also has one more small bolt boss on the passenger side, but we have never seen it drilled and tapped, so we have chosen to ignore it for now.
The location of the tang on the #3 main bearing was moved in ’98, too, so rebuilders will have to notch the block or grind off the tang on the earlier aftermarket bearings that are available so they will fit the block.
This casting can be used in a ‘96 car or truck as long as the correct lifter guides are installed in the engine."
going by what is said here, i can only assume that they are the same...(main caps anyway)
Ok, well i just got off the phone with ARP and have ordered my main studs. Heres th part numbers and contact info you will need to order you a duplicate set, even a 15% discount to go with it.
ATP4.400-1LB x8 these will be for main caps 1-4
ATP4.650-1LB x2 these are for the rear main cap where the oil pump mounts, they ned to be slitghly longer.
APW1316 x 10 these are the hardended steel flat washers
APN12-1 x 10 these are the 12 pt hardedned steel nuts.
The studs are the factory 11mm 1.50 thread on the bottom and 7/16-20 thread on the top. I got my complete set for 79.75 BEFOREany shipping charges, they can ship them anyway you want, ground or overnight or anything in between.
Those are also all regular stock numbers, so they have them in stock and ready to ship,now i told the girl Kristine that i had some freinds that would be wanting a set like this so she should be expecting atleast a few more orders and she said she would make yall the same deal.
Call ARP at 800-826-3045 and ask for ext 221 that is Kristine, give her the part numbers listed above and she will hook you up.
Mike
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