I need to find a new oil pan and dont want to get a brand new one from dealer (cant afford it while in college). I have the 2.3 ohv and i was wondering if it is the same as the 2.2 or 2.4 thank you

you have the 2.3 DOHC, and I'm not 100% sure but from the looks of the 95 block in my shop, the 96-up 2.4 pans seem likely to match up. There are definitely some differences but they may not mean anything.
I'll head out and try one to see for sure a little later.



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2.3 pans can be found new on Ebay for $50-75 shipped most of the time.

1) 2.3 pan

2) 2.3 pan

Not for 95s


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A 96-up 2.4 pan WILL bolt on to a 95 block.
I'm not sure if there's any issue with the AC/Alternator bracket though. But everyting else will definitely work


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& how exactly is a 94 pan different then a 95 other then the oil level sensor?

Well.....
Other than clearance for the balance shafts, different oil pump, and different oil pickup... not much.
oh and the rail area and probably the bolt pattern.

But maybe if you look at your links, you might notice one page says 87-94


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protomec wrote:Well.....
Other than clearance for the balance shafts, different oil pump, and different oil pickup... not much.
oh and the rail area and probably the bolt pattern.

But maybe if you look at your links, you might notice one page says 87-94

Yep...... the 95 Block resembles the 96+ 2.4 block (other then bore), head resembles a 90-94 2.3 LO head (for the most part) and cams share the over all function as 2.4 cams....... cam sensor (auto's) and Hex drive for the Power Steering. The 95 is a basterd of an engine...

and while I'm thinking about this....... does the '95 CPS share the same location as the 96+ 2.4? Cranks have the same notch locations? Not sure if I have ever seen info on this.




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SpeedRacerZ wrote:
and while I'm thinking about this....... does the '95 CPS share the same location as the 96+ 2.4? Cranks have the same notch locations? Not sure if I have ever seen info on this.

Yes and Yes.


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hmmmmm....... now if I could only get my hands on a 95 block.......




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give me a couple weeks and I'll have my new engine and I'll sell you mine

I've got a 92 2.3 block and oil pan




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ive got 2 92 W41


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I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.

I own a 95 2.3, & a 99 2.4. The while the CPS is in the same location, they are not the same & bolt on differently. Obviously must be different then the 96 Also, for that bs remark about the years stated in the link, most ebay sellers only refer to years they know for certain for protect their own asses.

Man, I cannot ever imagine more absolute ignorance being presented as fact.

95-2.3s and 96-98 2.4s use the same CPS.
Yes, your 99 is different-- from the factory-- some replacement parts call out the same part # for all years anyway.

More important for Brian's question, the '95 and 96+ 2.4s CPS share the same location in relation to the crank and the cranks have the same notch locations. Proof? I have used enough 95 PCMs on 2.4s to know they are they same. If they were different they wouldn't run. Ignition timing would be way off.

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Also, for that bs remark about the years stated in the link, most ebay sellers only refer to years they know for certain for protect their own asses.

Obviously not a policy that you put much stock in. You seem to be happy spreading any info even if you have no idea if its accurate or not.


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& obviously I dont put anything you say as fact either. I also run a 2.4 on a 95 pcm, (a 99 for that matter). They may call out the same part # for all years for replacement parts, doesnt mean the eternal shape or bolt tabs are the same. Generally the only person Id take anything as word from for a 2.3 or jbody for that matter is GP, but then again you probably think of yourself as the 2.3 god.

Protomec, you obviously know why I'm asking, and what I'm getting at . I have a ton more ???'s along that subject, that I'll email you about (if you have time).

trm95z wrote:Generally the only person Id take anything as word from for a 2.3 or jbody for that matter is GP, but then again you probably think of yourself as the 2.3 god.

If I were you, I'd listen to both of these guys, and I doubt GP would contradict many things that Protomec has to say anyway... but maybe thats just me.




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Difference being, I've known G for about 10 yrs, Protomec none. I dont doubt him that they have the same notch locations, or even that the 96 is a direct bolt on replacement. Calling it ignorance when I stated they all do not bolt to the block the same, yes that I do take offense to & will call bs. I know for a fact the 99 has a different external shape & the bolts are in different locations. Internally, probably the same as he said. 96 must be different & that Ill take his word on.
For the oil pan, I was asking how it was different other then the oil level sensor, that is all.

I've known GP for 6, and Protomec for about 4......... neither have ever steered me wrong.




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the older 1 has a metal bracket , and the newer 1 is molded plastic , that is going by my 97 2.4 and my 00 and 01 2.4's ive got


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Brian - You can take a 87-88 block too. They run @ 0° like the 2.4 and the 95 2.3. only problem may be the oil pump and pan that were from the first desing. But why bother with that? Just take an 89-94 block and modify the reluctor wheel.

Todd - Only the crank and the CPS hole need to match together for the ecm to work , right? cause when you do the stroker, you use a 0° crank so you match the CPS hole or the RW to match them but you can use a 15° ecm. The ecm only seem the signal so as long as the CPS location match the crank degree, everything should be fine. Like you can't use a 88 block with a 90 crank because of the CPS location but you can use an 88 block and crank with a 92 Ecm even tough the 92 crank was @ 15°.

Trm95z - you act like you know the 2.3. But from what you said, you don't seem to know much about the engine.



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So let me get this @!#$ straight, by asking how the 94 pan is different other then the oil level sensor, & stating that my 95 2.3 cps bolts to the block different then the one on my 99 2.4 which is currently in my 95z until I rebuild the 2.3, Im acting like I know the engine? No wonder I never ask @!#$ on here & go right to GP for 2.3 questions...
@!#$, all I wanted to know was exactly how the 94 pan was different then the 95.

I don't think the 2.4 is 0 degree.
Before I ever swapped PCMs, I checked both the 2.4 and the 95 2.3 to match up CPS location to TDC on the crank. With the crank at TDC in both blocks. I marked the location of the CPS hole on the crank and compared both to the position of the teeth and they matched.
I measured the circumference both wheels, they are slightly different, and measured the spacing between the cuts and # of them. The # of cuts is the same and the spacing when converted to degrees is equal.
I believe the 94-down HOs are also15degree. This is because Brandon (CavFan) is running a 92 HO in his 95 car on the stock PCM.
Any engine with the timing retarded or advanced 15 degrees will simply run like crap.

I think the location of the sensor is the same for all blocks no matter what year. I have not tried to verify this, but it seems to be that way.
I think the only difference location of the cuts on the crank.
This means an 0 degree crank in a 93 block will have 0 degree timing. A 92 crank in an 87 block will have 15 degree timing.
The PCM and ignition module are designed (or programmed) specifically for timing offset of the crank. So this means the PCM and ignition module has to match the crank to give the correct ignition and injector timing.



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But if you look at the stroker, you need to either change the location of the CPS for the 2.4 crank OR modify the reluctor wheel to match the 2.3 crank. So what I'm thinking is that the CPS hole doesn't have the same location on the block for the 0° crank compared to the 15° crank. I need to find an 87-88 block.



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