I want a comparison of the warm air vs cold air. but I dont want it by word of mouth. I want 1/4 mile comparisons or dyno charts. I wanna see what I would be better off with. Not just I have a warm and and now I have a cold air and it seems better. it's hard to get a good acurate measure from the seat.
2009 Ford Mustang V6
your an idiot....
1) seach WAI vs. CAI has been beaten to death!!!
its an intake, there is no better no
and your obviously and @!#$. it's ashame such a nice car has an owner like that. I have searched but I want actuall documentation on the difference. dont flame me over this atleast I want some for real research.
2009 Ford Mustang V6
Thats easy go buy both go to a dyno and try them out.
I mean since you want all the charts and stuff.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
dude there is no difference, its a tube with a filter, CAI is not better because it doesn't get cold air, it can only get as cold as outside temp and when its really hto you can see the heat blur above the ground, thats the air the cold air intake is picking up, WAI does get warmer air (not by much the car is moving air is circulating) but its a more direct path..... there is no better intake, the gains from an intake are very minimal to begin with, the tempature, hummidity, air pressure in tires, ect.. any one of those on its own will have more of an effect on 1/4 mile time then wsitching from WAI to CAI or vise versa.... it makes no difference
All I asked was something simple. I'm just lookin for some information as to which way I should go. I figured that would have been the better way to ask. I'm just tryin to get valuble information. I dont want criticism and what not. Just the facts.
2009 Ford Mustang V6
both are close to being equal
the wai has less bends , and is usually shorter
the cai has more complex bends , and it is longer
negitve for the wai under hood air
negitive for the cai , longer tubing , chance of sucking up water
in my g/fs cav ive averaged .1 better in the 1/4 with a cai over the wai , in close to the same weather condiditons
and like dark stars said , this subject has been beat to death , and no one has ever really done a compairison
so here is your chance to do it !!! buy both then go dyno them
I was just tryin to figure this out if I had the money I would go and do them both on the dyno and at the track. But I am broke and am just lookin into a lil performance and maybe helping the gas mileage out some as well. that was the better way to explain. and Darkstars all you had to do was say that about the 2 not got right off the bat and call me an idiot that wasnt needed. I just wanted some answers for my questions.
2009 Ford Mustang V6
Not to mention I believe its covered in the FAQ at the top of the page.... Like everyone else said your not going to see a difference.... Even if you dyno the two your not going to see a difference. Remember a car is stationary when being dynoed... no air being forced into the intake.... and time slips are not a good measure either there is to much that can effect your times. Weather condions track conditions the list goes on an on... I bought a WAI from Vibrant racing for like $45... I dont think spending another $50 is really worth it but thats me. Also you need to think about a lot of other variables when comparing things car to car not every car is exactly the same so your not going to get exactly the same results... I would see if you can find some people around your area that have them and ask if maybe they would let you swap it on to your car for a test drive and see what difference you really get.
You list in your profile you already have a WAI why would you spend cash on another intake big waste of money and only an idiot would upgrade their intake with so many other performance options available for the money.....then again you do list a throttle body spacer so your obviously a moron who buys into every add that claims huge hp gains....learn more people are actually being pretty nice here they can be alot worse than this you need to think logically a piece of pipe with a filter vs a poece of pipe with a filter that has slightly different bends come on now its not gonna make any noticable difference and asking for track proof have you ever even been? most likely you will never make 2 identical runs in any case so it would not prove anything changing intakes.
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your @!#$ stupid, your talking about 1 hp and .01 difference in the qrt, go kill yourself.
-Borsty
OK BORTSY @!#$ YOU AND GO TO HELL! and any way my wai got trashed last night and I was askin for when I get a new 1. also how about this as apposed to a K&N drop in filter?
2009 Ford Mustang V6
The01Cav wrote:I want a comparison of the warm air vs cold air. but I dont want it by word of mouth. I want 1/4 mile comparisons or dyno charts. I wanna see what I would be better off with. Not just I have a warm and and now I have a cold air and it seems better. it's hard to get a good acurate measure from the seat.
Ok, I'm not going to attack you but I'm plainly explain everyones reaction.
When you come in here and tell people you want them to give you this and this and demand things, that doesn't go over well with people who are here to help and give advice & facts.
Also, when you start doing research you'll learn, like Darkstars said, there is no real difference. It's basically a tube with a filter and a CAI style will only bring the temperature of air that is outside and a WAI will also bring in just about the same airflow of air when the car is moving. A CAI style intake has a longer tube to have air travel as well so that will probably provide more power on higher rpms.
Now about your dyno charts request, no one can give you a such a dyno chart because every car is dfiferent. You can have 2 cars that are exactly the same, both stock, same engine with the same intake and 1 can dyno at 1 amount, another will dyno at another amount...there is no set number for every car and this goes with any modification you do for performance. You will learn that just because a person or company says "5 HP gain" that you won't necessarily gain that amount. Best thing for you to do is make a decision on what you want and dyno it yourself so you know what YOUR gains are and not someone elses.
The same phelocophy goes with 1/4 mile times...there are too many variables that play along with it...traction, aerodynamics, temperature, track temperature etc etc.
I hope this gives you a better understanding on a bigger aspect.
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It's a waste to buy an intake. You most lekely get worst gas mileage and you don't gain enough to make a difference. If you run over 225hp maybe it could bne usefull but as a street car, it's just a noise maker.
Put back the OEM setup and work on other things( IE : header). With a header (that would probably cost the same as your WAI) you would have get better gas mileage and you would have more Hp and torque with just the header with the OEM exhaust compared to a WAI or CAI.
Sell the CAI and WAI and buy yourself a header. Put back the OEM air intake.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
I know and I apaologize for coming off so cocky but I wanted to see more of the facts instead of just general hearsay if ya know what I mean. and I do plan on a header pulleys and a 2.25 exhaust come spring time.
2009 Ford Mustang V6
The01Cav wrote:I know and I apaologize for coming off so cocky but I wanted to see more of the facts instead of just general hearsay if ya know what I mean. and I do plan on a header pulleys and a 2.25 exhaust come spring time.
It's all good...I understand your intentions.
Most of us have experience with what we are talking about from first hand so it's not really hearsay. I hope you take our advice and basically just choose whatever intake you like from whatever company because basically you'll get the same performance with all of them.
Good Luck.
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Mfk-223 wrote:It's a waste to buy an intake. You most lekely get worst gas mileage and you don't gain enough to make a difference. If you run over 225hp maybe it could bne usefull but as a street car, it's just a noise maker.
Put back the OEM setup and work on other things( IE : header). With a header (that would probably cost the same as your WAI) you would have get better gas mileage and you would have more Hp and torque with just the header with the OEM exhaust compared to a WAI or CAI.
Sell the CAI and WAI and buy yourself a header. Put back the OEM air intake.
Yeeeaaah, not so much....
If your theory holds true than I gained 15+ hp from exhaust only. Yeah, that makes sense.
Intake exhaust 5spd eco= 141hp 140tq.
And things like headers, you have a chance of loosing hp in one area of rpm while gaining in another area. Intake and exhaust (if done right) you gain all the way through.
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Darkstars wrote:your an idiot....
1) seach WAI vs. CAI has been beaten to death!!!
its an intake, there is no better no
Ouch, you got to understand dood For members who have been on hear over a few years this question is like our KRyptonite
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boobs now with Riboflabin"
I've been on this site since 2002 so believe me I know I just wanted some facts.
2009 Ford Mustang V6
most of the stuff that has been posted since 2001 atleast has been backed with facts...
the stuff in the FAQ isnt just "hearsay"
i as well as a few others have posted up tech stuff with air temp measurements, etc in highway, street, and traffic driving.
adams post on each car runs different, and the entire post....fact.
pretty much the most, not all, posted on this page and in the FAQ is FACT but i dont know if you are an idiot or not, i;ve never met or hung out with ya
*joke
Sorry but i have too, the cai will get higher numbers if it is at night when the air is actually cooler, plain and simple. If its 100 degress outside in the day then around 70 or 80 at night you will get better times.
This is from AEM site:
In most cases the CAI will out perform the SRS throughout the useable power range. We emphasize developing power in the lower to mid range of the power band because this is the area that is used in daily driving. The CAS typically is longer and places the air filter outside of the engine bay where closer to ambient inlet air temperatures can be achieved. The SRS places the air filter under the hood and is shorter than the CAS. In some cases, the SRS is preferred over the CAS due to inlet tract length tuning. The power advantage gained by using the correct diameter and length of tube negates the advantage of cooler inlet air in these cases. AEM only offers SRS in some cases because there was no advantage to using the CAS.
I guess they are saying that they dont make CAI for cars that will see no improvement from it, they do make a cai for the cav/ fire i have one and it kicks ass. right around 3500 and up you can feel it real good, and it does seem to have a little more power at night when its cooler.
[quote=ŠleveŽ One]Sorry but i have too, the cai will get higher numbers if it is at night when the air is actually cooler, plain and simple. If its 100 degress outside in the day then around 70 or 80 at night you will get better times.
This is from AEM site:
In most cases the CAI will out perform the SRS throughout the useable power range. We emphasize developing power in the lower to mid range of the power band because this is the area that is used in daily driving. The CAS typically is longer and places the air filter outside of the engine bay where closer to ambient inlet air temperatures can be achieved. The SRS places the air filter under the hood and is shorter than the CAS. In some cases, the SRS is preferred over the CAS due to inlet tract length tuning. The power advantage gained by using the correct diameter and length of tube negates the advantage of cooler inlet air in these cases. AEM only offers SRS in some cases because there was no advantage to using the CAS.
I guess they are saying that they dont make CAI for cars that will see no improvement from it, they do make a cai for the cav/ fire i have one and it kicks ass. right around 3500 and up you can feel it real good, and it does seem to have a little more power at night when its cooler.
OK, so ultimately, AEM said what we were saying...in some cases an Short Ram Style has outperformed an Cold Air Style and it basically goes by application. There is no best for one car and there is no set amount of power gains your car will get.
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CleveR One wrote:Sorry but i have too, the cai will get higher numbers if it is at night when the air is actually cooler, plain and simple. If its 100 degress outside in the day then around 70 or 80 at night you will get better times.
This is from AEM site:
In most cases the CAI will out perform the SRS throughout the useable power range. We emphasize developing power in the lower to mid range of the power band because this is the area that is used in daily driving. The CAS typically is longer and places the air filter outside of the engine bay where closer to ambient inlet air temperatures can be achieved. The SRS places the air filter under the hood and is shorter than the CAS. In some cases, the SRS is preferred over the CAS due to inlet tract length tuning. The power advantage gained by using the correct diameter and length of tube negates the advantage of cooler inlet air in these cases. AEM only offers SRS in some cases because there was no advantage to using the CAS.
I guess they are saying that they dont make CAI for cars that will see no improvement from it, they do make a cai for the cav/ fire i have one and it kicks ass. right around 3500 and up you can feel it real good, and it does seem to have a little more power at night when its cooler.
after having 11 intakes and actually installing temp sensors and a guage in atleast half of em, the difference in air temp was no more than 4 degrees with the car in motion in the middle of november...
as it stands there are plenty of short ram intakes that have made gains up to 9whp on 2.4;s and 7 whp on 2.2 which was an upgrade from the avg 7whp and 5-6 whp gains from cais...
also as it stands when the car is in motion air does move and circulate up under the hood. our cars ARE NOT aerodynamically sound.
so saying "the CAI will get higher numbers at night" is def false, cause there is no garuntee on that. the short ram will also get higher numbers at night simply because air temp lowers, and air circulates up under the hood, so basically in both areas, you are getting pretty much the same temp air. thats part of the reason most intakes place the filter BEHIND the battery and down lower than the engine... heat rises. and its off to the side, not to mention the same outside air flows through that hole where the intake resonator USED TO BE, behind the battery.
so in a nutshell, ALL intakes will perform better at night. and no system is magically better for everyone just cause you add the name COLD AIR, when really you arent getting COLD air... more of a marketing gimmick.
