Does anyone know if there has been an awd swap on a cavalier? Thanks
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no. its pointless. buy a subaru.
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Actually, buy an Evo....but that's just my opinion.
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Dino, not to rag on you but trying to switch a car from FWD to AWD or RWD serves no purpose on a stock car. The only people who have done RWD conversions are Pro-Drag cars like Summit Racings Cavalier. Anything is possible with the right amount of money but seriously, if you have the money switch a car to AWD, you wouldn't have a cavalier in the first place. Having AWD or RWD isn't all that's it's cracked up to be. They have their advantages in certain aspects but so do FWD cars.
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many AWD cars have descent losses in their powertrains, or so i've read.......example...you have a car with 300 HP at the crank...a FWD or a RWD will have more HP at the wheels than an AWD car will, for the most part
alero_ecotec wrote:many AWD cars have descent losses in their powertrains, or so i've read.......example...you have a car with 300 HP at the crank...a FWD or a RWD will have more HP at the wheels than an AWD car will, for the most part
It really all depends on the car and the type of drivetrain. A car with a Front Engine RWD will have less horsepower to the wheels than a Car with an MR drivetrain or Rear Engine RWD.
You can't necessarily say that a RWD is going to be faster than a AWD car either because traction & weight play a factor. Most cars in America you see that are RWD are heavy V8 cars. AWD cars will usually have an advantage off the line because they can distribute power properly to the wheels.
FWD cars have an advantage because it has less of a path to travel from the motor to the wheels which results in less drivetrain loss.
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correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i know, NOBODY has done this. the amount of custom work involved would be enormous... it would be pretty much putting a cavy body on a frame and drivetrain of a totally different car. just buy a subaru
rob (the turboed one) wrote:correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i know, NOBODY has done this. the amount of custom work involved would be enormous... it would be pretty much putting a cavy body on a frame and drivetrain of a totally different car. just buy a subaru
Exactly.
The amount of money your spending will exceed to be more than what it's worth. Also, when you have AWD you need to have a good amount to supply to the wheels to even be quick.
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Actually there is someone who got purty dang close!
Took most of the parts from that awd car that had to have been a GM, I think? It was small and reminds me of a.......hmm this is really slipping my mind! I wanna say swift Gt? A suzuki Swift Gt? I'm not sure but the guy got so freakin close because I talked to him on AIM/AOL like all the time and he always sent me pics about it. Never posted because he wanted it to be a huge surprise right when it was done.Hah it looked nice as everything was sandblasted and fabbed up to fit properly on a 3rd gen body! It was weird!
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NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:
You can't necessarily say that a RWD is going to be faster than a AWD car either because traction & weight play a factor. Most cars in America you see that are RWD are heavy V8 cars. AWD cars will usually have an advantage off the line because they can distribute power properly to the wheels.
If everything else is equal, AWD loses more power than 2WD. But, yeah, that in itself will not dictate whose faster, it only means that an engine in an AWD setup needs to make more power to get the same amount of power to the wheels as it's 2WD competitor.
jasen wrote:NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:
You can't necessarily say that a RWD is going to be faster than a AWD car either because traction & weight play a factor. Most cars in America you see that are RWD are heavy V8 cars. AWD cars will usually have an advantage off the line because they can distribute power properly to the wheels.
If everything else is equal, AWD loses more power than 2WD. But, yeah, that in itself will not dictate whose faster, it only means that an engine in an AWD setup needs to make more power to get the same amount of power to the wheels as it's 2WD competitor.
Agreed
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You know any idea is a great idea to the person wanting to go abouts the job. I'm pretty sure ppl doubted the topic of putting a 3800 s/c in the cavy..ppl saying that no way it would fit..that it was pointless and to build up the stock motor, turbo for cheaper. But you know once 1 person makes a awd cavy and shows everyone the following steps...there will be more to come in the future. Just like the 3800 s/c in cavy's. Ok so awd looses more power than rwd and fwd cars, but if you have the cash to make a awd j-body..don't you think the person has enough cash to build the @!#$ out of the motor to make the power needed. Oh and I don't see it as to hard of a custom job to perform as all have been stating, if you have the right info and tools..then it can be done with ease. Sure it may take 1 maybe 2 years, but it can and will be done by someone for street use. I mean think about it, the pontiac 6000 awd version..there rare but there out there. It was fitted to a 2.8 or 3.1. Which ever it was the bellhousing is the same..that same bellhousing mates to a 3800 s/c(so theres your extra power needed). And ppl with a 3800 s/c have HUGE traction problems..and this awd conversion would solve the matter. Plus i don't see it as a huge problem getting a solid axle or even a independant in the rear. If you can get your hands on the 6000 awd you can also pinch the rear axle(plus you'd have rear discs by doing so)..and if you wanna try independant..then find a trashed X type(or maybe something cheaper..but you get the idea) ..not sure though but the 6000 awd might even have independant but ne-waz..the point is there. You guys must remember that yellow 3rd gen wit the v8 rwd..that thing had a solid rear..and it fits with a fuel cell
everyones so negative on any idea other than modding the stock parts fitted to the car already. Sure the dude may not even try to make a awd cavy. But unless you've try'd the idea, and found out how crappy the idea was..you would have no ground to say anything negative..unless is was about that it would cost a lot of cash..but then again if you haven't try'd to make a awd cavy you still have no idea how much it would cost. For all you know it would cost less then putting a v6 in a 3rd gen
thats just my 2 cents..
(*arms fisting*..hehe "Flame me if you wish") ..but you all know its true, too many ppl on here are too negative of idea's
hey if the guy wants to try it fine... but simple arithmetic says it isn't gonna be cheap. The only current drivetrain that might work because it has an engine that we know will bolt in is the Aztek awd system which is shared with other platforms, but i'm not sure which ones... and thats not really a performance awd system. AWD, will, without a doubt, cost more than the car is worth to begin with, just for parts. Then the fabrication process, then getting it all to run right.
In short, if you have to ask how to do it on a forum, you're not anywhere near able to do it yourself.
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EdgeZ24 wrote:You know any idea is a great idea to the person wanting to go abouts the job. I'm pretty sure ppl doubted the topic of putting a 3800 s/c in the cavy..ppl saying that no way it would fit..that it was pointless and to build up the stock motor, turbo for cheaper. But you know once 1 person makes a awd cavy and shows everyone the following steps...there will be more to come in the future. Just like the 3800 s/c in cavy's. Ok so awd looses more power than rwd and fwd cars, but if you have the cash to make a awd j-body..don't you think the person has enough cash to build the @!#$ out of the motor to make the power needed. Oh and I don't see it as to hard of a custom job to perform as all have been stating, if you have the right info and tools..then it can be done with ease. Sure it may take 1 maybe 2 years, but it can and will be done by someone for street use. I mean think about it, the pontiac 6000 awd version..there rare but there out there. It was fitted to a 2.8 or 3.1. Which ever it was the bellhousing is the same..that same bellhousing mates to a 3800 s/c(so theres your extra power needed). And ppl with a 3800 s/c have HUGE traction problems..and this awd conversion would solve the matter. Plus i don't see it as a huge problem getting a solid axle or even a independant in the rear. If you can get your hands on the 6000 awd you can also pinch the rear axle(plus you'd have rear discs by doing so)..and if you wanna try independant..then find a trashed X type(or maybe something cheaper..but you get the idea) ..not sure though but the 6000 awd might even have independant but ne-waz..the point is there. You guys must remember that yellow 3rd gen wit the v8 rwd..that thing had a solid rear..and it fits with a fuel cell
everyones so negative on any idea other than modding the stock parts fitted to the car already. Sure the dude may not even try to make a awd cavy. But unless you've try'd the idea, and found out how crappy the idea was..you would have no ground to say anything negative..unless is was about that it would cost a lot of cash..but then again if you haven't try'd to make a awd cavy you still have no idea how much it would cost. For all you know it would cost less then putting a v6 in a 3rd gen
thats just my 2 cents..
(*arms fisting*..hehe "Flame me if you wish") ..but you all know its true, too many ppl on here are too negative of idea's
I fully understand what your saying BUT you have to realize that people who ask this question don't know what they are doing and ask like it's a bolt on kit "Make your FWD car into an AWD car instructions". Seriously, if you have the money to do something like this, more than likely you have the knowledge to do something like this.
Also, if you had that amount of money, I doubt you would own a Cavalier in the first place...I mean investing $10-20,000 in many different areas is one thing but your talking about fabricating a drivetrain and chassis which I'm sure is not cheap or a reasonable price to find someone to do it.
If he was an engineer or something, he wouldn't be asking how to do this which means he is paying someone to do this.
If he can get an AWD cavalier, more power to him but there have been many of posts like this in the past where people say they are going to do something like this and never do cause they actually think about it.
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NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:EdgeZ24 wrote:You know any idea is a great idea to the person wanting to go abouts the job. I'm pretty sure ppl doubted the topic of putting a 3800 s/c in the cavy..ppl saying that no way it would fit..that it was pointless and to build up the stock motor, turbo for cheaper. But you know once 1 person makes a awd cavy and shows everyone the following steps...there will be more to come in the future. Just like the 3800 s/c in cavy's. Ok so awd looses more power than rwd and fwd cars, but if you have the cash to make a awd j-body..don't you think the person has enough cash to build the @!#$ out of the motor to make the power needed. Oh and I don't see it as to hard of a custom job to perform as all have been stating, if you have the right info and tools..then it can be done with ease. Sure it may take 1 maybe 2 years, but it can and will be done by someone for street use. I mean think about it, the pontiac 6000 awd version..there rare but there out there. It was fitted to a 2.8 or 3.1. Which ever it was the bellhousing is the same..that same bellhousing mates to a 3800 s/c(so theres your extra power needed). And ppl with a 3800 s/c have HUGE traction problems..and this awd conversion would solve the matter. Plus i don't see it as a huge problem getting a solid axle or even a independant in the rear. If you can get your hands on the 6000 awd you can also pinch the rear axle(plus you'd have rear discs by doing so)..and if you wanna try independant..then find a trashed X type(or maybe something cheaper..but you get the idea) ..not sure though but the 6000 awd might even have independant but ne-waz..the point is there. You guys must remember that yellow 3rd gen wit the v8 rwd..that thing had a solid rear..and it fits with a fuel cell
everyones so negative on any idea other than modding the stock parts fitted to the car already. Sure the dude may not even try to make a awd cavy. But unless you've try'd the idea, and found out how crappy the idea was..you would have no ground to say anything negative..unless is was about that it would cost a lot of cash..but then again if you haven't try'd to make a awd cavy you still have no idea how much it would cost. For all you know it would cost less then putting a v6 in a 3rd gen
thats just my 2 cents..
(*arms fisting*..hehe "Flame me if you wish") ..but you all know its true, too many ppl on here are too negative of idea's
I fully understand what your saying BUT you have to realize that people who ask this question don't know what they are doing and ask like it's a bolt on kit "Make your FWD car into an AWD car instructions". Seriously, if you have the money to do something like this, more than likely you have the knowledge to do something like this.
Also, if you had that amount of money, I doubt you would own a Cavalier in the first place...I mean investing $10-20,000 in many different areas is one thing but your talking about fabricating a drivetrain and chassis which I'm sure is not cheap or a reasonable price to find someone to do it.
If he was an engineer or something, he wouldn't be asking how to do this which means he is paying someone to do this.
If he can get an AWD cavalier, more power to him but there have been many of posts like this in the past where people say they are going to do something like this and never do cause they actually think about it.
Onestly finding the drivetrain is prob the hardest part(providing you know what your doing in fab'n things together) ..if you have access to welding and machining tools then this can be a breeze in the part (but time will be needed for sure). the rear axle has been proove'n to fit on a 3rd gen(with a fuel cell in the trunk). the driveshaft can go where the exhaust is(you can even cut out the center and raise it up). and to stiffin everything up you can fit a full rollcage inside along with mockin up some subframe connectors. I ain't a genious at this but if you really thing about it..its a lot easier than many think
AWD doesn't mean fast. Look at a cobalt ss, it will run away from a wrx. NO not the sti but a regular wrx. No I haven't tried this I'm only relateing what Car and Driver and Automible mag have said. So please do not flame I'm only telling what I read.
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jackalope wrote:AWD doesn't mean fast. Look at a cobalt ss, it will run away from a wrx. NO not the sti but a regular wrx. No I haven't tried this I'm only relateing what Car and Driver and Automible mag have said. So please do not flame I'm only telling what I read.
That's very true because I have seen street racing video of an SS putting a couple cars and still pulling on an WRX from a roll.
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EdgeZ24 wrote:Onestly finding the drivetrain is prob the hardest part(providing you know what your doing in fab'n things together) ..
That's another issue...it's not like there is a vehicle we can definitely do a direct swap from to have an AWD setup.
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No one's done it... It's come up before.
I seriously doubt that anyone would waste as much money as it would cost on a J-car.. because it wouldn't be worth $5 when it was done.. to anyone but the person who built it.
I mean.. it would be like... $20,000 do engineer and build something like this? Unless you knew how to do it all yourself...even still.. parts... welding...
total waste of time, in most peoples minds.
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Lenko, John Lenko wrote:total waste of time, in most peoples minds.
BAM! Exactly...
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