i understand that if the oil was to cold then it would damage it but an oil cooler being added will not drastically lower the oils temp.


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RKSport sells a good one I heard. BUT I dont think its a good idea because of the reasons everyone els said. Your oil cant be to cold or it will hurt your engine. If you feel you need one hook it up so you can turn it on and off as needed. But its not a good idea.

CAVI.DEMON wrote:i understand that if the oil was to cold then it would damage it but an oil cooler being added will not drastically lower the oils temp.

An average 3 row oil cooler can lower you oil temp by 20 degrees, on an stock engine.

Right there your already in the redzone of oil cooling.

Dont say i know nothing, because if i didnt, i wouldnt be answering your question.




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just forget it. this is turning out to b a flame thread


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oils designed to run at a certain temp.... hence the reason why there are different viscosities...

if you dont have a temp guage, you dont know how hot it is.... how much it needs to be cooled, which then you wouldnt know which cooler to buy.



its similar with almost any fluid.


tranny temp range is 175-195 operating temp. you can check that in any shop manual. almost any transmission test you do dealing with temp will tell you to get it to operating temp.

same goes for some engine oil tests....




but then again i;ve seen ALOT of people add stuff on their cars that really they dont need.

just a few things over the years:

-dragracers only with 1 inch sway bars front and rear.
-drag slicks on a car never taken to the track
-intercoolers (yes real ones) on cars with no forced induction
-oil coolers on a stock engine, the size of HALF THE A/C condenser!!!! with no guage....

also if your turbo charged , or supercharged (where the s/c uses engine oil) its best to have a oil cooler


1 of the locals here has 1 on his 2.2 , and ive got 1 for my 2.4 , which i havent put on yet


oil cooler are genrally a good idea , for what i said above , if you live in hell like i do , 110-125 daily temps outside , spend alot of time driving

having a oil temp gauge is a plus also

An oil cooler would only cool an engine into a "critical" cold zone if you were located in a terribly cold climate, seeing sub zero temperatures constantly

It is very common knowledge that newer subcompact cars suffer from serious heat problems, and once run to "operating temperature" conditions, an oil cooler will almost always benefit.

Remember, heat is a killer to ANY vehicle. The stock cooling system was designed to cool a STOCK vehicle under AVERAGE conditions.

AVERAGE conditions would, in general, be at an ambient temperature of around 78 degrees, with the driving habits of the average driver, someone who would rarely rev their engine beyond 3k RPMs...

Now, in the interest of someone who may be using their vehicle for "spirited" driving, someone who may rev their car into the upper RPMs, someone who may hold the car at a constant touring revolution speed, say backroad driving at a constant of 3k RPM... or to the driver who operates in higher temperature climates, stop and go rush hour traffic, operating with a modified setup causing more generated heat....

An oil cooler, in my and many other enthusiast opinions, is not a detrimental addition under these conditions. In fact, it can assist with fuel mileage by keeping the overall engine temperature down. On a minor note, I suppose it also can be the difference between new head gaskets if the coolant system should become damaged, being that if the coolant drains, the oil would be taking all the heat absorbtion, and would be able to vent through an oil cooler until the car can be safely removed from the road and repaired.

Even if you are operating in cold ambient temps (< freezing), allowing the motor to heat up to the point of thermostat activation is sufficient to operate.

Please remember an oil cooler is really only cooling when air is being pressed through it. Usually at that point the motor is not near idle.

Although I do agree with discretion in the actual size of the oil cooler, and the harware utilized. NEVER use a transmission cooler for engine oil. The hose and pipe sizes are too small for efficient throughput of motor oil. I would also, based on the motor and operating/mounting conditions, insist on proper oil cooler size. There is no surefire rule to go by, however I have never seen an oil cooler any larger than half the size of the radiator. In the case of a subcompact vehicle, I would guess around 1/4 the size of the radiator would be a start.

The RKSport system appears to be thought through before being offered. It appears to be of a proper size, with adequate flow conditions based on the hoses and fittings.

Personally, I intend to be purchasing that package in the near future.

My two cents.

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CAVI.DEMON wrote:thank you. some 1 with a brain answered

its seeming you just wanted to wait around to hear what you wanted to hear rather than realistic views that can be backed up by facts, articles, and race teams.... typical thing here though

its still a fact that unless you know the temp, you cant select the right size cooler for your car. and yes you can over cool oil to where the viscosity doesnt reach where it should be.

cavidemon, look at this post. 5 people say its a bad idea, while 1 person says its a good idea. Using an oil cooler would have the exact same effect of using a more viscous oil. If your oil temperature is consistently too high, this would be useful. If not, it could (depending on the conditions where you live) lead to more wear on your engine (especially in cold weather). Installing an oil cooler without first having an oil temp gauge is like buying a boat before you check if theres an ocean nearby.

CAVI.DEMON wrote:first i can type how ever the hell i want and it seams to me that u understood it. second i wasn't looking for horsepower i was looking to c if it would help with engine efficiency. and obviously u do not know ne thing cause lowering the oils Temp a few degrees is not gonna harm an engine

As I said, unless your oil is too hot, it would not help with engine efficiency. In fact, depending on the oil you're using, it could probably degrade efficiency, as the oil would get too viscous at a lower temperature.

where did i say it was a bad idea ???


i do believe you need to understand it and regulate it , to keep the oil in a certain range


but saying adding the cooler is a bad idea , isnt true either


in severe cold weather , you can block the air path to it , that will keep the oil coolers effect to a minimum , and allow you to uncover it for higher heat needs

wow i guess the search button doesnt work cause i posted this like 3 weeks ago. and i know i wasnt the only one who posted on this before.

I think that a thermostatic controlled sandwich adapter @ 180ºF can give us a answer for many situations.

Any way you need to know the right dimensions of the oil cooler, for the proper work zone. Many thinks are involved to select the right oil cooler for your needs. Try to use well proven and application's recomended items. In this case sometimes smaller is better than bigger. Of course the optimal would be the best.

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How about taking advice from someone that has an oil cooler installed. I have the kit from rksport and its not big at all, I think I only added 1/2 a quart more oil now. If viscous is an issue for running at a lower temperature try running a different viscousity oil. You don't need a temp gauge with an oil cooler, the only thing to worry about is running the correct oil pressure your car should run at. I live in NM where temps during the summer run into the 110's and higher of course on the roads so yes an oil cooler is good to have, but during the winter temps can drop down to the 20's I haven't noticed any difference during both seasons. so I dont know why people are trying to give an opinion on something they have not used or tested themselves. The only real way to find out how well it will work is to go for it and try it out yourself, if it doesn't work oh well save for the future if you plan on boosting or if you move to some rechid desert similar to the one i live in.


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well if your worried about cold temps with an oil cooler, you can always devise a bypass, which would , well, bypass you oil cooler during the winter months.




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daniel arellano wrote:How about taking advice from someone that has an oil cooler installed. I have the kit from rksport and its not big at all, I think I only added 1/2 a quart more oil now. If viscous is an issue for running at a lower temperature try running a different viscousity oil. You don't need a temp gauge with an oil cooler, the only thing to worry about is running the correct oil pressure your car should run at. I live in NM where temps during the summer run into the 110's and higher of course on the roads so yes an oil cooler is good to have, but during the winter temps can drop down to the 20's I haven't noticed any difference during both seasons. so I dont know why people are trying to give an opinion on something they have not used or tested themselves. The only real way to find out how well it will work is to go for it and try it out yourself, if it doesn't work oh well save for the future if you plan on boosting or if you move to some rechid desert similar to the one i live in.

more beneficial to have a temp guage....

reason alot of people here, add stuff they dont need, but add it just to add it.

as it stands i;ve already had an oil cooler for autoX, i still keep the transmission cooler, however during normal driving and in racing, the oil temp has never gotten to the point where it needed cooling.

hence a cooler was pointless to have on the car.


for those adding coolers to their cars with no guages, you really dont know if you will need one or require a certain size....


like i posted above, this forum is famous for people ading stuff they dont need, but merely cause its there to add.

not saying you, being in NM where its an arri/desert temperature... however the guy asking is less than a state away from where i reside and unless your car already has overheating probs, theres really not a need for one in the midatlantic for a stock engined car on I/H/E

and if the car is overheating, then its more beneficial to find the cause rather than stick bandaids on it...

True that, I have a 2200 and I'm not sure if everybody else has noticed or if its just my car but whenever you're getting into the high rpm shifting and running corners and all the temp gauge always starts rising real high. I'm in definate need of a radiator flush at only 50,000 miles. Like I said i'm not sure if its just my car or if other people have noticed the same with theres. I understand that yes when getting into high rpm's heat can increase but I mean wow sometimes I don't have to be on it and my engine will start heating up quick. Maybe its all the auto-x's and road course runs I've been doing, I don't know.


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I get dangeriously low oil pressure after AutoX's and Interstate runs too. Thats probably because my mains are worn down so much though.

Think an oil cooler might help Art? I have no idea what the temp is, but I'm running 10w-30 and it drops down to 6-7psi at idle.

daniel arellano wrote:True that, I have a 2200 and I'm not sure if everybody else has noticed or if its just my car but whenever you're getting into the high rpm shifting and running corners and all the temp gauge always starts rising real high. I'm in definate need of a radiator flush at only 50,000 miles. Like I said i'm not sure if its just my car or if other people have noticed the same with theres. I understand that yes when getting into high rpm's heat can increase but I mean wow sometimes I don't have to be on it and my engine will start heating up quick. Maybe its all the auto-x's and road course runs I've been doing, I don't know.

As for heat build up, have you replaced your thermostat yet?




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the thermostat is working it kicks in and my fan will come on, the car will cool down but I'm gonna go ahead and do the radiator flush and see how that turns out, I'm gonna try adding some of that royal purple ice or whatever its called to the new mix and see how that does also. If I don't see any difference I've seen a 180 temp thermostat at turbotechracing.com and I might get that and see how it goes.


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daniel arellano wrote:the thermostat is working it kicks in and my fan will come on, the car will cool down but I'm gonna go ahead and do the radiator flush and see how that turns out, I'm gonna try adding some of that royal purple ice or whatever its called to the new mix and see how that does also. If I don't see any difference I've seen a 180 temp thermostat at turbotechracing.com and I might get that and see how it goes.

UM, the stock thermostat is 180 degrees.




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