Question. I got a friend that has a 90'somethin Grand AM GT that has the 2.4 Twin Cam in it. He tells me that he got a crate from Keystone from Pontiac Performance. Now he tells me that its N/A pushing 225 from the crank. I honestly don't believe him as far as I can throw him. Just wondering if its actually possible or he's just talking out his rear end. Just curious
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tell him to dyno that thing
ive never seen a crate motor from GM that was a performance motor
total bs
Don't steal, the government doesn't like competition
Kick your friend in the balloon knot...he's a liar.
Mark P.
hahahaha sounds like he has a base model grand am which in the 90's came with the 2.4.. the 90's GT's came with a 3.4L V6 i believe? i know the 90's GTP's were only pushing like 225-230...
the only one close to a good answer is 97cavie, all the rest are just plain way off and probably don't even know what the guy is talking about.
90 GA Gt - 2.3 Ho not 2.4. the 2.4 was create in 95.
225hp? really possible and fairly easy to do.
the Ho came stock with 180. Now if he order a performance crate engine and got lucky and the dealer knew where to get the engine, he may have got a Bilmar engine witch is 215hp stock.
So if you don't believe him, that's your choice but there's like 99.9% of the chance that he really have 225hp.
Let take a look at some fact.
Ho - 180hp
W41 - 190hp
Bilmar - 215hp
So let say he got an Ho that they change the cam and change the chip with some work to the engine, you get 225hp.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
you have heard of how car manufacturers will release a car for example not accurate just an example...
in late 1995 xyz automanufacturer releases the @!#$box special as a 1996 model..
the 2.4 indeed was around in 1995....
-Trailblazer SS - not so custom 6.0L - custom intake - custom tune
- (1) 2.4L on an engine stand (1) blown trans (2) good quad trans (1) eco trans = party
Quote:
2.4's first model year was 96, not 95, 95 was still the year of the 2.3-wannabe-2.4 bastard engine
dont diss my engine
THE GUY SURE LOOKS LIKE PLANT FOOD TO ME!!!
i would pay to see a quad4 or a 2.4 with 225 on the crank thats not juiced or boosted
From what I know, the 2.4 was develop in 95 as a 96 model right? so I was still right
as for chase, you need to search more. 225hp on a quad is a piece of cake.
190 (w41) + 5 + 10 + 20 = 225hp
5hp for a CAI
10 for the exhaust and 20 for the header
you have 225hp believe it or not.
the 2.3 is born in 87 so 95 was not the only year and the Ho and W41 were high hp engine so it's really easy on a 2.3 since it's taking the mod very well.
Differnet thing for a 2.4 tough but still, Karo did it without nitrous nor boost.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
BALLOON KNOT!!! My ribs hurt.
my mistake, i mis-typed that. Its at least a 95+ model grand am, i just dont know exact year (it just looks newer but i'll find out) I just know it has the Twin Cam 2.4. My question was is it possible to buy a crate that actually can do that? I know Karo built his up, but I also know theres a lot done to it too. This kid is sayin he got that basically from the crate plus like rods or something like that. Thanks for the replys so far tho =)
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Mfk-223 wrote:
190 (w41) + 5 + 10 + 20 = 225hp
5hp for a CAI
10 for the exhaust and 20 for the header
you have 225hp believe it or not.
I dont believe it, and mods dont work that way.
A cold air, exhaust, and header will not net a 35 HP gain. Thats elementary dude.
As for knowing if the Grand Am has 225 HP, a trip down the 1/4 will easily answer that.
JLP
01' 5 speed Z <--- 03' 15.2 @ 90
79' Blue Monte <--- 03' 12.18 @ 110.86
search for speedvisioncavalier, he dyno the 2.3 header and gain 15whp.
for all the @hole that don't believe me, do you freakin homework before giving me a hard time.
The header on the Ho will give a good 15hp easily + the exhaust and the CAI.
just cutting the top of the stock air box gave 3whp so a CAI can easily give 5. Then the exhaust give 7whp so do the math. then you had the header from TRS.
so if you don't know what you're talking about, STFU. you just look stupid trying to say that I'm wrong when I know quad better than most of those who wrote in this thread. Scott know his quad too. another thing, I got the dynop sheet and you can't proove me wrong so shut up. thank you!
Gilles
2.3 Ho
ok ok.. the topic was if you can buy a crate engine from pontiac performance with 225hp... the answer would be no.. yes karo has done it and Mfk you do know the 2.3 and have done your homework.. im not going to say i dont believe you, its going to be a close call. the 2.3 and 2.4 both respond exceptionally well to mods because of high compression. i dont see making a otherwise stock 2.3 engine with 182hp or so produce 225hp with just CAI, Headers, cat back etc. thats 40 something horses..
96-98 you could get a 2.4 (with a 5 speed even) in a GA GT.
Like the others, I've never seen a GM (Pontiac/Chevy) performance LD9 crate motor.
Now, he is talking LD9...... so take 150hp...... bump up the compression, port the head, throw in some cams, add a Header, Exhaust, Ported Intake and Bigger T/B........ You might be able to pull 215-225 fwhp out of it........ and keep it streetable...... (Karo's motor is an exception to the rule
)
It is alot easier on the W41/HO..... since you start with more HP..... but again, you already have .5 higher compression, and better cams...... even a better flowing exhaust manifold, intake manifold, head, and larger T/B..... (all of which give you 30-40hp)
I'd have to lean towards
on his story.
SPD RCR Z -
'02 Z24 420whp
SLO GOAT -
'04 GTO 305whp
W41 BOI -
'78 Buick Opel Isuzu W41 Swap
Mfk-223 wrote:search for speedvisioncavalier, he dyno the 2.3 header and gain 15whp.
for all the @hole that don't believe me, do you freakin homework before giving me a hard time.
The header on the Ho will give a good 15hp easily + the exhaust and the CAI.
just cutting the top of the stock air box gave 3whp so a CAI can easily give 5. Then the exhaust give 7whp so do the math. then you had the header from TRS.
so if you don't know what you're talking about, STFU. you just look stupid trying to say that I'm wrong when I know quad better than most of those who wrote in this thread. Scott know his quad too. another thing, I got the dynop sheet and you can't proove me wrong so shut up. thank you!
WOW! thanks to your immature response .. all your credibility was just thrown out the window!
Nice Job there buddy
sorry, I call BS on this story also
I hate to take one side... but there is no way a engine of that size can make 35hp from thoughs mods (sure a company will claim thoughs hp increases but when it actually comes down to what they make, its not that high)... there had to have been something else or the dyno was way off... headers on our 02 Trans Am didn't even give us 20hp at the wheels gain (and it is a 5.7L V8), and to make 10hp from an exhaust i guess could be realistic but it would have to be a very free flowing system.. 5hp seems a little closer for an exhaust set up. And i don't know how much an intake will gain you... but i honestly don't think they make as much hp as the companies say they do...
I would say with the CAI, exhaust and header you would get about 22hp at the wheels.. and thoughs cars were 190 at the crank weren't they?
http://www.beretta.net/behind_the_wheel/dyno_results2.htm
check it yourself. it's not from a company but from someone who really own and dynoed his Gtz.
10whp for the cut airbox and exhaust. It's not even a CAI and the intake system is restrictive on the 2.3.
so we have 190 for a W41 plus 10 Hp that's 200. you now need 25hp more, big deal. SVC dyno the header and he's not a company. he dyno that with his sunbird.
a stock Ho had around 155whp and he got 171 whp with the headers and a muffler at the end of it.
so do the math.
171-155 = 16whp
it's freakin close to 225.
if it's not, then get a PNP and you're done.
the story about a 225hp 2.4 is most likely Bs unless it's really build. it's fairly easy for the 2.3 to get to 225.
what you have to understand is that every engine are different. even if you have a V8, some mod can make more power with a smaller engine.
like a header on a 2.4 can give less power than one on a 2.3.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
Mfk-223 wrote:
so if you don't know what you're talking about, STFU. you just look stupid trying to say that I'm wrong when I know quad better than most of those who wrote in this thread. Scott know his quad too. another thing, I got the dynop sheet and you can't proove me wrong so shut up. thank you!
DEEP breaths.
1. Breathe in Breathe out
2. Repeat #1 several hundred times.
I still dont believe it, and never will.
Lets say those mods did produce 35 more HP. It would be a peak number, and a peak number only. I dont claim to know a ton about "quad", but every engine/combo I've played with goes faster with higher numbers across the board. Peak is great, but in a street car doesnt mean a whole lot.
This thread got way off topic, but I'll sum up what I think quick and leave it at that.
The dudes car most likely doesnt have 225 HP.
Tell him to put up or shut up.
Simple bolt ons that help a lot up top seem to hurt TQ on the bottom. (not good)
Coke tastes better than Pepsi.
JLP
01' 5 speed Z <--- 03' 15.2 @ 90
79' Blue Monte <--- 03' 12.18 @ 110.86
SeriouZ wrote:Coke tastes better than Pepsi.
I'm not a cola guy.......
SPD RCR Z -
'02 Z24 420whp
SLO GOAT -
'04 GTO 305whp
W41 BOI -
'78 Buick Opel Isuzu W41 Swap
mfk needs to just shut up in this thread, you sound like in idiot here, when you usually are very informative.
as for a 2.3 or 2.4 being able to produce 225hp. i know it can be done quite easily. but the fact is a 225 hp 2.4 cannot be bought from any magazine. his story is bs, just like i originally said.
Don't steal, the government doesn't like competition
I made a few mistake in the last few post I did in this thread. I said thing I wouldn't think I would say. I was really out of my mind on this one.
My appologies to anybody I may have hurt and for some wrong info I may have said.
I took a look again at the email SVC sent me and I didn't read correctly the first time.
it was I/H/E that gave a 15-20whp increase not the header.
So yeah a 2.3 or 2.4 can reach 225hp. alot easier on the 2.3 since Bilmar already had 215hp.
But like spin said, it's impossible from a NEW engine from Gm. a crate from a performance builder maybe but not from Gm.
once again, sorry for the wrong thins I've said.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
