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Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:19 PM
This is the play that GM might take as it looks like GM will focus on highpowered V6s for future Caddies. As GM is no longer doing DOHC V8s.

Good score for Ford.
From Ford....

FORD TO EQUIP HALF A MILLION VEHICLES WITH ECOBOOST ENGINE TECHNOLOGY FOR UP TO 20% BETTER FUEL ECONOMY


DETROIT, Jan. 6, 2008 – Ford Motor Company is introducing a new engine technology called EcoBoost that will deliver up to 20 percent better fuel economy on half a million Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles annually in North America during the next five years.

The EcoBoost family of 4-cylinder and 6-cylinder engines features turbocharging and direct injection technology. Compared with more expensive hybrids and diesel engines, EcoBoost builds upon today's affordable gasoline engine and improves it, providing more customers with a way to improve fuel economy and emissions without compromising driving performance.

"EcoBoost is meaningful because it can be applied across a wide variety of engine types in a range of vehicles, from small cars to large trucks – and it's affordable," said Derrick Kuzak, Ford's group vice president of Global Product Development.

"Compared with the current cost of diesel and hybrid technologies, customers can expect to recoup their initial investment in a 4-cylinder EcoBoost engine through fuel savings in approximately 30 months. A diesel will take an average of seven and one-half years, while the cost of a hybrid will take nearly 12 years to recoup – given equivalent miles driven per year and fuel costs," he said.

Ford will introduce EcoBoost on the new Lincoln MKS flagship in 2009, followed by the Ford Flex and other vehicles. By 2013, Ford will have more than half a million EcoBoost-powered vehicles on the road annually in North America.

In 2009, Ford first will introduce EcoBoost on the Lincoln MKS featuring a 3.5-liter twin-turbocharged V-6. It will produce the power and torque of a V-8 engine with the fuel efficiency of a V-6. In fact, with an estimated 340-horsepower and more than 340 lb.-ft. of torque, the Lincoln MKS will be the most powerful and fuel-efficient all-wheel-drive luxury sedan in the market.

More With Less
EcoBoost's combination of direct injection and turbocharging mitigates the traditional disadvantages of downsizing and boosting 4- and 6-cylinder engines, giving customers both superior performance as well as fuel economy.

With direct injection, fuel is injected into each cylinder of an engine in small, precise amounts. Compared to conventional port injection, direct injection produces a cooler, denser charge, delivering higher fuel economy and performance.

When combined with modern-day turbocharging – which uses waste energy from the exhaust gas to drive the turbine – direct injection provides the best of both worlds: the responsiveness of a larger-displacement engine with fewer trips to the gas pump.

Ford's 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, for example, can deliver upwards of 340-plus lb.-ft. of torque across a wide engine range – 2,000 to 5,000 rpm versus 270 to 310 lb.-ft of torque for a conventional naturally aspirated 4.6-liter V-8 over the same speed range. At the same time, this V-6 gives customers an approximate 2 mpg improvement and emits up to 15 percent fewer CO2 emissions to the environment.

Direct injection coupled with turbocharging allows for the downsizing of engines that deliver improved torque and performance. A small 4-cylinder EcoBoost engine has the capability of producing more torque than a larger 4-cylinder engine – nearly an entire liter larger in displacement – with better fuel efficiency.

The real-world fuel economy benefit is consistent no matter the drive cycle, meaning the engine is efficient in the city as well as on the highway – unlike hybrids, which are most efficient in stop-and-go traffic. In addition, customers who tow and haul – and have long turned to more expensive diesel powertrains for their superior towing capabilities – can find the engine performance they need from an EcoBoost powertrain.

EcoBoost – combined with multi-speed transmissions, advanced electric power steering, weight reductions and aerodynamic improvements – is part of Ford Motor Company's strategy to deliver sustainable, quality vehicles that customers want and value. Additional hybrid offerings and diesel engines are planned for light-duty vehicles.

Longer term, Ford plans to remain aggressive in the development of plug-in hybrids and hydrogen fuel cell-powered vehicles.

"We know that what will make the biggest difference is applying the right technology on volume vehicles that customers really want and value and can afford," said Kuzak. "EcoBoost puts an affordable technology within reach for millions of customers, and Ford's systems approach adds up to a big idea that differentiates Ford's sustainability strategy in the market."


Explorer America – A Sustainable Showcase
To help explain its vehicle sustainability strategy, Ford has created the Explorer America concept for the 2008 North American International Auto Show.

The Explorer America concept delivers an approximately 20 to 30 percent fuel-economy improvement – depending on engine selection – while providing room for six and their gear, along with moderate towing and off-roading capabilities.

The concept aims to highlight for customers and auto show attendees a number of innovations tied to Ford's systems approach, including:

A powertrain lineup that includes a 4-cylinder 2-liter engine with EcoBoost technology delivering 275 hp and 280 lb.-ft. of torque or, as a premium engine, a 3.5-liter V-6 delivering about 340 hp. Depending on engine selection, fuel-efficiency will improve by 20 to 30 percent versus today's V-6 Explorer
Migration from current body-on-frame to unibody construction, reducing weight and delivering superior driving dynamics
A fuel-efficient 6-speed transmission with auto shift control, allowing the driver to select and hold a lower gear with just the turn of a dial when conditions warrant it
A weight reduction of 150 pounds for the V-6 version thanks to its downsized – yet superior performing – engine, as well as more lightweight materials, suspension and chassis components
Fuel-saving electric power assisted steering (EPAS) and other engine actions that deliver a fuel savings benefit of about 5 percent. Between 80 to 90 percent of Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles will have EPAS by 2012
Aerodynamic and other parasitic improvements that add up to a 5 percent fuel economy gain




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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:25 PM
Well that is great!! That is very interesting , I am looking for a new car. Might as well wait a year or two!



Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:33 PM
sounds like a good gimmick



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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:37 PM
Quote:

Ford's 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, for example, can deliver upwards of 340-plus lb.-ft. of torque across a wide engine range – 2,000 to 5,000 rpm versus 270 to 310 lb.-ft of torque for a conventional naturally aspirated 4.6-liter V-8 over the same speed range. At the same time, this V-6 gives customers an approximate 2 mpg improvement and emits up to 15 percent fewer CO2 emissions to the environment.


Is this a joke? because that right there is funny.
why even waste the time?



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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:39 PM
^^ and energy in building the product.



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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:44 PM
^^^^^Well I'd like to see GM coming out with similar technological progress instead of just trying to make better looking cars.



Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:46 PM
They have a DI 4cyl
DI v6
Some of the most fuel efficient trucks.
VVT OHC motors.



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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:51 PM
Jookycola wrote:
Quote:

Ford's 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, for example, can deliver upwards of 340-plus lb.-ft. of torque across a wide engine range – 2,000 to 5,000 rpm versus 270 to 310 lb.-ft of torque for a conventional naturally aspirated 4.6-liter V-8 over the same speed range. At the same time, this V-6 gives customers an approximate 2 mpg improvement and emits up to 15 percent fewer CO2 emissions to the environment.


Is this a joke? because that right there is funny.
why even waste the time?



Well it makes more power, is cheaper, uses a little less fuel, and the last part was probably another big reason.
Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:52 PM
Why not just add a K&N filter to all cars from the factory?



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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:57 PM
Jookycola wrote:
Quote:

Ford's 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, for example, can deliver upwards of 340-plus lb.-ft. of torque across a wide engine range – 2,000 to 5,000 rpm versus 270 to 310 lb.-ft of torque for a conventional naturally aspirated 4.6-liter V-8 over the same speed range. At the same time, this V-6 gives customers an approximate 2 mpg improvement and emits up to 15 percent fewer CO2 emissions to the environment.


Is this a joke? because that right there is funny.
why even waste the time?


Well that's what GM's mild hybrid gives while making them slower over their conventional counterpart. Look up Aura and Malibu hybrid.
Ford's Ecoboost has the power of V8 while getting V6 fuel efficiency. And now with 2 mpg better fuel efficiency then the intake port fuel injection counterpart; which is now need for CAFE.
Not for anything, but please tell me where is the joke in this?



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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:58 PM
they act like this is brand spankin new technology...when it's not except for the direct injection part. turbos improvfe fuel efficiency in low boost applications. that's known, so where is this new technology that they're raving about? that's the same as slapping on a small 14b dsm turbo on an LD9 or ECO and running 5 psi. it'll improve gas millage as long as you don't rev past 3000-3500....i'm not really understanding why this is such a huge deal?



Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:59 PM
they couldn't pick a different name for their engine?

zetec FORD
duratec FORD
ecotec GM
ecoboost FORD

gimme a break.. you think they'd come up with an original name for once..





Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:40 PM
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:
Jookycola wrote:
Quote:

Ford's 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, for example, can deliver upwards of 340-plus lb.-ft. of torque across a wide engine range – 2,000 to 5,000 rpm versus 270 to 310 lb.-ft of torque for a conventional naturally aspirated 4.6-liter V-8 over the same speed range. At the same time, this V-6 gives customers an approximate 2 mpg improvement and emits up to 15 percent fewer CO2 emissions to the environment.


Is this a joke? because that right there is funny.
why even waste the time?


Well that's what GM's mild hybrid gives while making them slower over their conventional counterpart. Look up Aura and Malibu hybrid.
Ford's Ecoboost has the power of V8 while getting V6 fuel efficiency. And now with 2 mpg better fuel efficiency then the intake port fuel injection counterpart; which is now need for CAFE.
Not for anything, but please tell me where is the joke in this?

Most v6 fuel efficiency isn't much more than GMs v8s.



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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:04 PM
Sappy96 wrote:
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:
Jookycola wrote:
Quote:

Ford's 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, for example, can deliver upwards of 340-plus lb.-ft. of torque across a wide engine range – 2,000 to 5,000 rpm versus 270 to 310 lb.-ft of torque for a conventional naturally aspirated 4.6-liter V-8 over the same speed range. At the same time, this V-6 gives customers an approximate 2 mpg improvement and emits up to 15 percent fewer CO2 emissions to the environment.


Is this a joke? because that right there is funny.
why even waste the time?


Well that's what GM's mild hybrid gives while making them slower over their conventional counterpart. Look up Aura and Malibu hybrid.
Ford's Ecoboost has the power of V8 while getting V6 fuel efficiency. And now with 2 mpg better fuel efficiency then the intake port fuel injection counterpart; which is now need for CAFE.
Not for anything, but please tell me where is the joke in this?

Most v6 fuel efficiency isn't much more than GMs v8s.

You can thank their transmissions not the engine for that, with their sky high overdrive. But I and the article were referring to Ford's powertrain comparison who run a conventional overdrive.
Mate this engine with a GM transmission and the fuel efficiency numbers will only get better.

This 3.5L V6 is producing more power, fuel efficiency and it cleaner then the 4.6L V8 from a Mustang GT. That is the point Ford is trying to make and as of now it is the only solution for American car companies in order to meet new stringent CAFE standards with out going bankrupt: smaller engines. Here Ford did it with sacrificing nothing.
Give credit where credit is due. Especially since this is coming from Ford.




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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:12 PM
Ok, and the GM DI 3.5L is making the same hp as the 4.6L v8 from the mustang GT as well.



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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:20 PM
Sappy96 wrote:Why not just add a K&N filter to all cars from the factory?


No kidding, a freer flowing intake system would give better mileage



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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:54 PM
Sappy96 wrote:Ok, and the GM DI 3.5L is making the same hp as the 4.6L v8 from the mustang GT as well.

Now a new route to your argument. LoL you just won't quit huh.
Yep, GM's 3.6L DI is making as much HP, but what about that little something all Americans love: TORQUE... maybe? 273 vs 340.
Besides this engine is meant to go up against engines like the Northstar that makes 320HP/315ft-tq while still getting the efficiency of the V6.
340HP/340TQ, V6 fuel efficieny, not to forget now you have less weight up front--- now you get better weight balance. That is a step in the right direction, so much so that even GM cancelled their DOHC v8 in favor of this move.



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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:29 PM
DaFlyinSkwirl (PJ) - APU wrote:they couldn't pick a different name for their engine?

zetec FORD
duratec FORD
ecotec GM
ecoboost FORD

gimme a break.. you think they'd come up with an original name for once..


are you serious?
ecoboost as in ecology boost maybe? hmmm, im sure they aimed to take a swipe at the ecotec........

anyways, this is great news, and proof that Ford is not left for dead like everyone here thinks



Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:43 PM
ROFL ecology boost

How about economy like fuel economy..

Good points Goodwrench.

I still think fords power plants are inferior.



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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 3:55 PM
Sappy96 wrote:ROFL ecology boost

How about economy like fuel economy..

Good points Goodwrench.

I still think fords power plants are inferior.


ROFL economy boost

ecology as in better for the environment, which is what CAFE standards are supposed to be about
but hey, i guess fuel economy is a far superior argument, when it could be either or, or even both



Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:53 PM
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^^^^^Well I'd like to see GM coming out with similar technological progress instead of just trying to make better looking cars.

GM is coming out with similar progress: the new DI 3.6 liter and, especially, the LSJ (DI turbo ecotec). GM just isn't putting that technology into very many of its vehicles, or, haven't made a press release indicating so yet.

Moves like this are, and always will be more effective than producing bio fuels, building gas-electric hybrids, and trying to make hydrogen a source of energy. biofuels and hybrids are good, but neither of them is THE answer to reucing foreign dependance and harming the environment less- there is no ONE answer. Americans need to keep making efforts to make their personal vehicles more efficient, but mass transit and urban electricity production also need to be addressed, as do fleet vehicles (i.e. semi trucks, etc.)

on another note, engines like these "ecoboost" engines should be good for tuning- factory turbo engines tend to be pretty strong.

Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Monday, January 07, 2008 1:22 AM
yeah but isnt the premium gasoline that is required since they are using a turbo, make the cost of fuel the same as or close to the price of diesel?
Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Monday, January 07, 2008 4:02 AM
Just because they are using turbo does not automatically mean premium.



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Re: Ford's new EcoBoost engines
Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:17 PM
if they want it to last longer then the warranty it will lol. and to be making that kinda of power without a CR of AT LEAST 10.5:1 is almost unheard of. Unless someone else wants to fill me in on whats happened since i moved away from my rock house?


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