I am going to start out by telling the truth.... I have owned my 97 2.4 Cavalier for about 3 years now and I really don't know a whole lot about it. Know I have a good friend that is going to try to build up his 95 2.2 Sunfire and I know even less about that motor then I do about my 2.4......
Does anyone have any links, hints, or tricks to a full 2.2 motor build? He is wanting to either run a turbo or nitrous. But we need the help of the 2.2 masters on here to guide us to build a motor that will hold up to either one. We know that he first needs to do the basics.... Full exhaust, intake, plugs, and wires. But we are wanting to go WAY beyound that and do a complete build from the block up. Any suggestions?
What all would have to be done to swap out to a Eco 2.2?
Eco parts needed: PCM/ECM, wire harness, engine, trans.
Buy a wrecked 02+ w/ Eco (only some 02's had Eco BTW), and pull the stuff out that ya need. Put the engine on a stand, build it up, then swap it in
Fewer swears, bloody knuckles, aches & pains by building it outta the car
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READ THIS.
Everyone should know where these How Tos are by now......
I feel as tho, that a motor built up is self explainatory, not one person can come on here and tell you exxactly how to built your motor. It it will be a nasty track only, racing fuel motor only, go with something like 12:1 compression or so, if you want to go with boost, keep it drivable, and premium fuel, 9:1 is fine, still need to be able to tune it well to drive on pump gas if you boost it too high. But I think you should deffinatly should be doing some more research, no pun intended, but, by your post, it seems like you guys arent ready to do a full motor rebuild, from block up, a bit more is involved then putting on an intake. But other than compressions, other crap to worry about is pretty simple. Its a 2.2, so deffinatly cant stroke it, no stroker cranks out there in production for the 2.2 lol. Just keep it with all forged internals. Going to want to put all new seals in the motor, so call up NAPA or somehwere and order a seal kit. Put all ARP studs in. Felpro headgasket, some decision to be made there as far as thickness goes. All new clevite 77 bearings. As far as a cam goes, I dont think any company sells a grind for the 2.2, but you always can get custom grinds from a company such as Comp Cams or such, but, anyways, just start reading, and dont stop.
Once upon a time, I had talked to a guy who had used the crank out of a 91 grand am 2.5l as a stroker crank with good results.
^ Interesting
2200 Stroker
Er, would it be 2500 Stroker??
F/S: 2005 KAWASAKI ZX-6R 636, 1103 MILES, $7500 OBO ^^^
The 2.2 can use the 2.5 crank, what?!?!? The Iron Duke's motor parts are actually usefull? Wha? No way, haha, but hey, taht would be pretty interesting, but I bet it cant be used without some kinda modification.
My guess is that you would prolly have to clearance the block and oilpan kinda like the 350-383 stroker??
F/S: 2005 KAWASAKI ZX-6R 636, 1103 MILES, $7500 OBO ^^^
Shifted wrote:2.2 Ultimate Build Guide:
Replace it with a 2.2 Eco 
Greatest advice evar!
www.kronosperformance.com / 732-742-8837
death to the ecotec be a man and do something a little diffrent. keep the 2200 and build it. dont just jump on the ecotec bandwagon.
^ Could be worse tho....
Could be a *hack cough Hon-duh hack*
F/S: 2005 KAWASAKI ZX-6R 636, 1103 MILES, $7500 OBO ^^^
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Once upon a time, I had talked to a guy who had used the crank out of a 91 grand am 2.5l as a stroker crank with good results.
It's to bad the 2.5l iron duke has a 3 inch stroke.
I guess that would make it a de-stroker then.
PoundinFire wrote:I guess that would make it a de-stroker then.
Yeah, and you could just use the 1.8L crank if that's what you want
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
^^^ And the OHV has an approximately 3.5" stroke... so no, the Iron Duke crank will not a "stroker" crank make.... It would have a kickin rod/stroke ratio, but would result in a 1.9L engine displacement. Even with a .040" overbore, the displacement wouldn't be enough to ROUND UP to 2.0L. And thats all IF the crank would fit, and it probably wouldn't without remachining the mains and in the end, it would probably be a complete waste of time and money.
I'm still working on the OHV Build Guide guys... I haven't forgotten, I've just been very busy with work and now that I have the money to go forward with my project I appear to not have much TIME to work on it... I'm seeing about reworking my schedule so that I'll have all weekend off (i've been working 6 days a week for the last 2 months) and more time to work on things around the shop. It may take a loooooooong time to complete, but it WILL be worth it when its done.
Don't get me wrong, the eco is an excellent engine, but when you break it down, most cars here don't wind up doing more than 250 hp.... which is good enough for 12's, which a built OHV can easily handle, and cost less than swapping in an eco and then turboing it. If you're looking for a 300+ hp drag car, then sure, the eco might be the better choice but the expense of swapping in an Eco compared with building an OHV isn't really good enough to be worth the swap in a sheer performance/dollar comparison, UNLESS you're trying to go over 300 hp. Which is approaching the limits of usefulness in a street car.
Arrival Blue 04 LS Sport
Eco
Turbo
Megasquirt
'Nuff said
Who in their right mind would build up a 2.2 OHV???
................Which car will hit 400 whp first???................
^^^ Hmmm... I wonder....
More importantly - who in their right mind would shoot for 300+ HP on a 2.2OHV??
I think that was the number I heard anyway...
F/S: 2005 KAWASAKI ZX-6R 636, 1103 MILES, $7500 OBO ^^^
^^^Last I checked, Notec still wants 400 out of his lol
Arrival Blue 04 LS Sport
Eco
Turbo
Megasquirt
'Nuff said
^ haha
I guess a certain *somebody* here will need to step up his game more!!
And here I am pushin' the limits mang!! Arse-stomping 95WHP
F/S: 2005 KAWASAKI ZX-6R 636, 1103 MILES, $7500 OBO ^^^
We are not looking for 400whp build ups but around 250 without swaping out motors, transmissions, wiring harness, ECU ect., ect. would be nice. We are trying to stay away from the Eco swap because we don't want to swap out everything that is involved in that swap!
What about a 2.4 build? Any links, suggestions, tips or tricks?
we are BOTH trying to reach around 250-260whp on pump gas. Me with my 2.4 (supercharged) and him with his 2.2 (turbo)!
Keep the info coming!!!
2.4 Swap is just as involved as the Eco swap...
F/S: 2005 KAWASAKI ZX-6R 636, 1103 MILES, $7500 OBO ^^^
On my 2.4 I have already installed:
motor mounts, Pacesetter 4:1 Header, full 2.5" crush bent exhaust with a high flow cat, 2.3 HO manafold with the 56mm tb (for know). I am working on getting a better clutch, and I am also working on doing a cam swap (unsure what cams to go with) Then after I get another motor to really rip apart I am going to be doing a LOT more.
What do we need to do to make the 2.2 compatable to where mine is know?
lowfire: Well, I guess I'm one of tha dummies around here... lol
2.2L OHV rebuild is in the planning stages... If I can hit 210hp at the crank (like my ole' heavy-arse '01 Mitsu Eclipse could), in my lighter weight Sunfire, I'll be a happy camper!
scarab: Perhaps you can write it up in Chapters? heh, heh
L8r...
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