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injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 4:36 PM
i am getting ready to install these into my car this month and need to know what fords i can get these clips from. i need to buy these asap so if anyone knows or has four for sale then post it on up please. thanks for the help guys.


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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 4:40 PM
You can get them from 95-98 Z24's/Sunfire GT's or any Ford vehicle, they are all the same.





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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 5:05 PM
leave it to shifted to have an answer for me. i should of just emailed you personally.


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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 5:06 PM
i also had another question. what exactly does the reflash do for the car once its turboed and how much does it normally run?


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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 5:10 PM
The only people that do reflashes is JBP (personally I wouldn't recommend it), and its supposed to remap your fuel and spark tables to provide more or less fuel/spark timing. Basically retuning your car. JBP charges $500, you have to send them your ECU, and they send it back, you have to do that for each change.





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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 5:30 PM
what about the supercharger reflash?


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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 5:34 PM
Its a good option for low boost setups in the 2k+'s, but you need to pick up the 2 bar map sensor as well.





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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 5:56 PM
i have the 3 bar that i bought when i got mt msd dis II. i recently sold the msd but i keopt the sensor. will that be alright to use. also will i need the reflash before im up and running on the car?


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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 5:57 PM
No, you have to use a 2 bar sensor.





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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 6:11 PM
what is the difference if i may ask. this stuff is kinda new to me.


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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 6:14 PM
Map sensor works by sending out a voltage based on what the pressure is...

1 Bar is 0-5v
2 Bar is 0-5v
3 Bar is 0-5v

So, if the ECU is calibrated for a 2 bar sensor, and you use a 3 bar map sensor, the voltage would be wrong. So when you were at 1.5 bar, you would be sending 2.5V, but the ECU would think you are sending 1 bar, since on a 3 bar, 2.5v is 1.5 bar, and on a 2 bar map sensor, 2.5v is 1 bar.





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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 6:16 PM
how much are the 2 bar sensors and where do you get them. mine just came with the msd so i have no idea.


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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 6:17 PM
There is a GM part number if you search for it, in the boost forum. Its quite expensive though, and I don't know if you can use one from a different manufacturer, although I don't see why you couldn't as long as its a 2 bar, 0-5v signal with a 5v reference.





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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 6:19 PM
hey guys where can i pick up a 2 bar map sensor for my 2.4 1999
Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 6:23 PM
so if i didnt get the reflash and sensor and just went with the fuel upgrades which include a fuel pump, adj. fmu, adj. fpr, wide band and ford brown tops. would i be ok for 6-8 psi or would the reflash and sensor be a good idea?


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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 6:25 PM
Matt Macomber wrote:hey guys where can i pick up a 2 bar map sensor for my 2.4 1999


You can't just put a 2 bar map sensor on, for the same reasons I posted above, you don't have an ECU that can be calibrated to a 2 bar map sensor.

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Yeah, I'd even be willing to say that you'd be running pretty rich at those PSI's.





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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 6:37 PM
i know lean is bad. isnt too rich bad too. shouldnt i be able to tune it a little better with the above mentioned parts?


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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 6:46 PM
Yeah, but I know a guy (sunfightergt) with that setup, plus an SAFC-II, and he runs pig rich at idle with the safc pulling as much fuel as he can. Too rich does rob power, and can burn out your cat, but its safer than being lean and burning holes through your pistons.





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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 6:48 PM
and the reflash and map sensor fixes all that?


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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 6:55 PM
Yes, to a point, the brown tops are still a bit larger than the s/c injectors.





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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 6:58 PM
i did notice two things by reading your profile. what are you using beside the safc that im not to control fuel. second, where did you get you downpipe flange because i have the same flange bolt pattern that you have.


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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 7:08 PM
I don't have anything else than what is listed, the one time I got it to boost before the turbo crapped out, I hit 5psi and the thing was still damn rich (in the 10's). The SAFC can't control fuel when your in boost anyway, so I just use it for idle tuning.

The flange we picked up from CarQuest of all places. There are 2 types of 3 bolt flanges like that, and one of them (the more common one) has a smaller inner diameter than mine. We found a 3 bolt flange that bolted up to my turbo and went with that.





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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 7:12 PM
do you remember the part number off hand. i dont want to order the wrong thing. i was looking at one on ebay. heres the link. see if thats what i need if you will.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4594519383&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT


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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 7:14 PM
I really couldn't tell ya from a picture. We picked up one for mine from Exploited that looked like it would work, but when we got back to Brian's it was way too small, but it had the same bolt pattern.





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Re: injector clips for ford brown tops
Monday, December 05, 2005 7:17 PM
i emailed the guy i got the turbo from and hes looking into if hes got one or not. i sure hope so. that would save me some time. youve been a big help. im my eyes your one of the most respected people on here and im glad that you have helped with inderstanding this so much. have a good night and thanks.


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