are there any such as secret performance cams for the 2200 non-eco?

The whole "secret" cam thing was directed torwards the 2.4 Motors because you could use camshafts from the 2.3 motors and gain power from it...it was a secret at one time.

As far your motor, remember, you only have 1 camshaft which is underneath your cylinder unlike the 2.4, 2.3 & ECO motors which are over the cylinder head (hence Dual Over Head Cams - Two Camshafts Over the Head). So in order to swap out your cam, you would need to remove your head.

Now, knowing the 2200s and friends with 2200s, in order to gain power from a camshaft swap, you really need to work your head. By just upgrading your camshaft, you're not doing much there because the real restrictive part comes from your cylinder head....if you work the head, you'll unlock a very good amount of power.

Now if you're looking for a camshaft, go to Jbody Performance (www.jbodyperformance.com), they make one for the 2200 LN2 motor.

Here is a direct link to the page: JBP 2200 LN2 Camshaft

Good luck.



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there is alot of confustion on this topic
let me clear it up for you

on newyorkjbodies website there is this thing about the 2200 secret cam swap

they are wrong, it doesn't exist!

by the way the topic is wrong on here 2200 has only one cam

u may get cams from jbodyperformance.com




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the JBP Stage 2 cam rules!




I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.

Send a cam into Comp, Crane, or some other company

Their techs will be able to help you get a custom grind for what you are doing

Plus it's cheaper than JBP





................Which car will hit 400 whp first???................

How much cheaper?

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wrong.. the price that you pay for JBP is worth it. they cater to our cars and know them inside out. So many people have them from here and by promoting them, we can get more stuff for our cars.. get the JBP stage twos'.

NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:So in order to swap out your cam, you would need to remove your head.

...If you want to do even more work.

Pull the whole engine out,
take off the valve cover,
use magnets to hold lifters up,
pull out cam through side of block (careful, don't scratch up the bearings around it!)
put in new cam
replace timing chain and tensioner at least
put motor back in

If you have semi-decent milage on your engine, then you should probably replace the lifters as well, which means you would have to pull of the head, and therefore also replace just about every gasket on the top end along with your coolant. And hey, since the head is off, maybe you should give it a little port work to make use of that extra cam...




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OHV notec wrote:

NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:So in order to swap out your cam, you would need to remove your head.

...If you want to do even more work.

Pull the whole engine out,
take off the valve cover,
use magnets to hold lifters up,
pull out cam through side of block (careful, don't scratch up the bearings around it!)
put in new cam
replace timing chain and tensioner at least
put motor back in

If you have semi-decent milage on your engine, then you should probably replace the lifters as well, which means you would have to pull of the head, and therefore also replace just about every gasket on the top end along with your coolant. And hey, since the head is off, maybe you should give it a little port work to make use of that extra cam...

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Which cam would you get from JBP for boost setup? Forced Induction or stage 2 or 3?

Scott Kostura wrote:Which cam would you get from JBP for boost setup? Forced Induction or stage 2 or 3?

Well, first I would like to thank you for using the search function rather than posting a new thread.
Could you tell us more about your setup? Other motor work? turbo size? hp goal?
Also, paying JBP's price is rediculous, just have Crane regrind it (same thing JBP does, just much cheaper)



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Scott, Once again, Thank-You for using the search feature.

Allot goes into selecting the correct cam for any motor, let alone a boosted motor. Turbos can be very finicky, when it comes to what grind to use. For almost all practical uses, the stock cam's intake center line and lobe centers are good for boosted motors, where you will have the most problems is the lift and duration figures. The intake duration will determine the peek torque and horsepower points, while the exhaust duration will determine the point in which the boost comes in at and how long the boost is maintained without over turning the turbo or running too much boost. See Crane Cam's Newsletter (Tech Tips, Turbo Grinds) for more information concerning turbo grinds.

As Josh (OHVnotec) said, stay away from the JBP cams, they are just over priced regrinds (in-fact, you could buy a cam and have Crane, Comp, or just about anyone else regrind it for less and get a cam tuned for your application, not a general use regrind). Each of the major cam companies have an on-line cam lobe master catalog to give you an idea of what's available. Down load a copy of their cam recommendation form and fill it out as completely as possible and call/write/fax/e-mail them with the information from the form. They will recommend a regrind that will fit your application. Be advised though, there are limitations on what can be done as far as a regrind is concerned. If you stay with a smaller lobe/grind then they can move the lobe centers about +/- 1*, if you choose a larger lobe design, the you will have to maintain the stock lobe centers. There are other factors to consider also, such as lift limits, rocker arm ratio, lobe lift and pushrod length and stiffness.

There are other threads that myself, Josh and others have participated in that have much of this information. If some else doesn't post up links, I will later. Got a 9y/o to tend to. later, Good luck, jack.

Well, first I would like to thank you for using the search function rather than posting a new thread.
Could you tell us more about your setup? Other motor work? turbo size? hp goal?
Also, paying JBP's price is rediculous, just have Crane regrind it (same thing JBP does, just much cheaper)


Hey not a problem I try to search first sometimes i can't ever find what i'm looking for. Turbo setup with a FMIC, Forged pistons and rods new performance cams( what i'm looking for at the moment), I want to buy the Performance head from hypsy he was talking about one that has upgraded valvetrain except for the valves, 16G turbo off of the EVO 3. Looking to run mid to low 13's but will settle for low 14's, lol. If anybody has any parts please speak up thanks. O yea 2200 motor sorry almost forgot that thanks for any help.

Oh and Mad Jack i'm not good with the technical terms and stuff can u put it in short idiot version not being a Dick thanks

Well, you didn't really give us any information there , just that you're running a big-wheel 16G. Compression ratio, how much boost, horsepower goal, powerband?
The head from Hypsy does not have an upgraded valvetrain for the 2200, only for the DOHC motors.



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better a delay than a disaster.

Well, you didn't really give us any information there , just that you're running a big-wheel 16G. Compression ratio, how much boost, horsepower goal, powerband?
The head from Hypsy does not have an upgraded valvetrain for the 2200, only for the DOHC motors.


Stock compression or whatever it is 9:, looking to run 14 psi or so. I'm sorry to sound like a newbe but what is powerband lol. Oh i was un aware. Where can i get upgraded valvetrain parts?

here is a website you can use: J-Body Tech Articles

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Those are the NY J-Bodies post's, which is incorrect concerning the cam swap. While the cam dimensions are the the same, the position of the Cam Position Sensor notch is in a different location, that results in an erratic idle.

Just get a good used cam from a '98+ motor and call your favorite cam manufacturer and have it reground. Just make sure the total lift doesn't exceed .480" at the valve.

Not to thread jack, but is there a general rule of thumb for n/a versus forced induction for intake/exhaust degree? Looks like their stage 1 & 2 both have higher degree than the f.i. cam for the same valve lift.

So? Do I go with the one from JBP or get it regrounded by Comp? I need to know exaclty what to do i'm not to sure on cam knowledge

Admiral558 wrote:Not to thread jack, but is there a general rule of thumb for n/a versus forced induction for intake/exhaust degree? Looks like their stage 1 & 2 both have higher degree than the f.i. cam for the same valve lift.

People generally prefer a lower duration for turbo motors because there is pressure in the exhaust manifold which can go back through the cylinder into the intake manifold during overlap.

Scott Kostura wrote:So? Do I go with the one from JBP or get it regrounded by Comp? I need to know exaclty what to do i'm not to sure on cam knowledge

I would HIGHLY suggest reading up on cam basics at least so that you can make a semi-informed decision, there are TONS of articles out there on the intraweb. Your powerband is 95% determined by your cam profile, it is where your hp and torque lies RPM-wise.



fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.

ok thanks i'll try to learn cams in a day or to bc i'm waiting on this to complete my bottom end.

Don't rush it...better a delay than a disaster.
I'm almost to 4 years now for my bottom end.



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better a delay than a disaster.

Scott Kostura wrote:Where can i get upgraded valvetrain parts?

Missed this one...you can get stainless valves from carcustoms.net, and custom-length uber-strength pushrods from Crane, or stock length uber-rods from Howell. As far as springs...you're SOL unless you are willing to pay for some fairly heavy machining to adapt longer springs. Check Jack's rocker thread for information on roller rockers, although the stockers should be fine if you go with an aftermarket cam grind.



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better a delay than a disaster.