... this time with a few LS1 parts, after 6 weeks and a touch over $1200 later.
Anyway for those of you who missed the original damage to the lifters here it is again. Of course the bearings were all junk, along with the 4 intake valves (the pressed in hardened tips acutally became loose from getting pounded). Luckily they were able to polish up the cam and crank (only saved b/c it was nitrided). We think the issue happened from either too much spring pressure causing the rockers to be crushed and start floating around, or from the boost pressure actualy opening the intake valves to soon (since it was mainly the intakes that were damaged)
And on to the new.
To solve the lifter issue McQuillen's machined up some "inserts" to go inside the stock lifter bodies. Since there are no aftermarket lifters available specifically for my motor (and V8 parts wont fit either) it was the only choice. These inserts will essentially make the lifters mechanical rollers instead of hydraulic rollers. I got a shot of the inserts before they finished all the machining and before they were heat treated. Yes, of course, they did hollow out the back side of them. They were able to get them to within 4 grams heavier than the stock lifter (4 grams is about 4 one dollar bills)
To further strengthen the valvetrain they installed 175# Isky dual valvesprings to replace the 125# Comp cams dual springs. (i believe stock is a measly 75#) I looked into these springs it looks like they are made for the LS1 motor. And to lighten and strengthen things up some more they added some Comp Cams titanium LS1 retainers. They had to turn them down just a little so they would not hit the adjacent rocker. You can see how close some of them are in the pics. Then they cleaned up my oil pump, cut the case down to maximize oil flow, and weled the pickup on to keep it in place (ya even tho its bolted on). They also made some small relief cuts in the rocker arms to keep them from "tickling" the locking nuts.
Anyway here are some pics.
I started getting things back together friday afternoon. Progress is slow as usual. With any luck maybee I will have it back running this weekend.
Dan
YEP, my 60' times suck
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beautiful, just beautiful
Very nice! It's nice to see more built 2.2's, and yours is one of my favorite.
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nice....is that a blue-ish head gasket or some kinda of sealant added onto the reg head gasket?
Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:nice....is that a blue-ish head gasket or some kinda of sealant added onto the reg head gasket?
Good eye. That is blue Hylomar spray on a copper headgasket. Used to seal out the wet stuff
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Dan
YEP, my 60' times suck
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very nice. ain't no 4 banger like a builtup 2.2. one question, where do u get them copper gaskets from and about how much do they usually run?
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strohlly7 wrote:very nice. ain't no 4 banger like a builtup 2.2. one question, where do u get them copper gaskets from and about how much do they usually run?
Right from SCE. Call and talk to Steve. They can cut you one in any thickness you want if they dont already have it on the shelf.
Depending on thickness you can get one to your door for about $75 bux.
Or you can call RSM and spend about 2x as much for the same gasket, the choice is yours ! lol
dan
YEP, my 60' times suck
247HP/267ftlbs at 13psi with built motor
Project updates and stuff:
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email: dhc1902@yahoo.com
Dan
Can we get some part numbers on those Valve Springs and retainers??
Looks awesome bro!
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Chris,
I have them all at home. I will post them up later.
The retainers were probably just part of a V8 set. But they were Comp Cams 730 Ti ones. I think that 730-16 would be their p/n.
Im quite sure it will take some work to the head, since the LS1 springs are taller or somthing. But they already had my head reworked for the oversized valves and some other comp cams dual springs, so more work wasnt necessary.
Dan
YEP, my 60' times suck
247HP/267ftlbs at 13psi with built motor
Project updates and stuff:
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Could you make a set of those lifters for a price. Unlike some I am willing to pay for someting this good
Are you using valves larger than 1.84I / 1.45E
Wouldn't hurt to use an EP additive in the oil to help the cam.
Don't forget that mechanical lifters need occasional adjustment, even rollers.
Looks like fun is in your future.
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Phlatcav wrote:Could you make a set of those lifters for a price. Unlike some I am willing to pay for someting this good
Id have to talk to the shop about making another set. Would probably be in the $500 range.
slowolej wrote:Are you using valves larger than 1.84I / 1.45E
Wouldn't hurt to use an EP additive in the oil to help the cam.
Don't forget that mechanical lifters need occasional adjustment, even rollers.
I would have to check the sheet, its been so long since I looked at that information.
An EP additive? enlighten me
Ya,I will most likely check them quite often at first, to establish how long I can go on an adjustment. Figure ill start off like once a week or so. I'm also curious to check one hot, and then cold (without moving anything) to see what the difference is. Hopefully I can get a nice cold adjustment size so I dont have to burn my fingers all the time. Since I have to run super tight lash its gonna be critical that I have it right.
Dan
YEP, my 60' times suck
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Project updates and stuff:
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email: dhc1902@yahoo.com
nice job. Speaking of LS1 parts... you'll love my sig.
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An EP additive? enlighten me
I can do that!
EP = Extreme Pressure. With large spring pressures and a relatively small base circle cam, it's a dang good idea to use this at least for the first few oil changes. Zinc is a common EP additive, used in products like GM Engine Oil Supplement. I believe Molybdenum is another, but that can plug oil filters. Cam and lifter prelube generally has gobs of EP additives. Maybe Lucas Oil Stabilizer has the same? 90 wt gear oil definitely does. STP, however, does not have any EP additives.
I don't blame you for wanting to cold lash the valves. It can be done. .008" is about the minimum lash I've ever used. .016" to .018" is fairly common in my experience with smallblock chebbies.
-->Slow
Slowolej,
Yes Lucas has the EP additives. In fact the machine shop I worked at used it for engine assembly, except for the cam lobes.
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Right from SCE. Call and talk to Steve. They can cut you one in any thickness you want if they dont already have it on the shelf.
thanx for the info dan.i'm gonna call and order one friday.i been looking for a copper gasket for 2.2 for ages. i have one on my daytona and that s.o.b. ain't never gonna blow out.
People say that what doesn't kill you in this life
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Hey Juiced, I don't know if you read this or not
Crane Newsletter, Valve Springs for S/C.
Found it while doing some Valve Spring, retainer and lock research. I thought of you and you problem right off the bat!
strohlly7 wrote:Quote:
Right from SCE. Call and talk to Steve. They can cut you one in any thickness you want if they dont already have it on the shelf.
thanx for the info dan.i'm gonna call and order one friday.i been looking for a copper gasket for 2.2 for ages. i have one on my daytona and that s.o.b. ain't never gonna blow out.
In case your interested, ihave a brand new SCE copper head gasket for the 90-97 2.2L engine ill sell you for 60 bucks shipped?? email me at HotRodV6@aol.com if your interested and i can send you some pics.
Dan, looks good, im watching to see how the new lifters work out. Keep up the good work.
Mike
1992 GMC Sonoma GT #492. Oh, Its just a stock V6!
1999 Cavalier Coupe, daily driver, 2200/M5. Mods and pics are in my registry.
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If they are still available, the Crane solid roller lifter #25518L-2 works in the 2.2 with a little grinding at the top for pushrod clearance. The lifter was originally made for the 60 deg. v-6 left bank. The part # is for one pair so you would need to order 4 pieces.
I can remember what part number I ended up with. At first I had some that were not self aligning. The "guide plates" on the 94 2.2 were not sufficient to keep the rockers in place. I ended up returning them and buying a set from Howell that are self aligning. This way I didnt need to worry about fabing new guide plates ect.
Dan
YEP, my 60' times suck
247HP/267ftlbs at 13psi with built motor
Project updates and stuff:
www.clubhousecustoms.com
email: dhc1902@yahoo.com
Byron Clemens wrote:If they are still available, the Crane solid roller lifter #25518L-2 works in the 2.2 with a little grinding at the top for pushrod clearance. The lifter was originally made for the 60 deg. v-6 left bank. The part # is for one pair so you would need to order 4 pieces.
Is this the same Byron Clemens who is the 2.2 ohv all motor God who was running mid 13s in his all motor 2.2ohv?
If it's not fast, juice it!!!
NX JuicedFire wrote:Byron Clemens wrote:If they are still available, the Crane solid roller lifter #25518L-2 works in the 2.2 with a little grinding at the top for pushrod clearance. The lifter was originally made for the 60 deg. v-6 left bank. The part # is for one pair so you would need to order 4 pieces.
Is this the same Byron Clemens who is the 2.2 ohv all motor God who was running mid 13s in his all motor 2.2ohv?
It looks like this part number is still in production from crane, looks like 53 bucks for a 2 lifter pair, so just a tad over 200 for a set for the 2.2L. I found this on Summits website
CRN-25518L-2 $53.39
Estimated Ship Date: 10/6/05
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Brand: Crane Cams
Product Line: Crane Mechanical Roller Lifters
Lifter Style: Mechanical roller
Link Bar: Vertical
Lifter Outside Diameter (in): 0.842
Quantity: Sold as a pair.
Notes: Left bank only.
Lifters, Mechanical Roller, Vertical Link Bar, Chevy, Pair
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The strongest, most durable roller lifters available.
Crane Cams mechanical roller lifters are the standard of the industry--they're racing's strongest, most popular roller lifters. Both Crane's standard design and their ultra-lightweight Pro series are available. These lifters are precision CNC-machined for accuracy, and are the strongest, most durable lifters available for competition or serious street applications.
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I can remember what part number I ended up with. At first I had some that were not self aligning. The "guide plates" on the 94 2.2 were not sufficient to keep the rockers in place. I ended up returning them and buying a set from Howell that are self aligning. This way I didnt need to worry about fabing new guide plates ect.
Yeah i had to fab up my own guideplates for my 2200 to use the comp LS1 rockers, heres a few pics in case you havent seen these already.
Those are LS1 8mm bottom 3/8-24 top threaded studs and macthing LS1 guideplates, along with comp LS1 1.85 ratio rockers. Only took me about 2 hours to make that set of guideplates. Just cut weld and grind and bam 2200 guideplate.
Also, does anybody have any more info about using these 60 degree V6 lifters, what exactly do you have to grind for pushrod clearance? If these are a drop in i may go this route as it is much cheaper than modifying a V8 set.
Mike
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Dan, its good to see your back in action!
juicedz4 wrote:Good eye. That is blue Hylomar spray on a copper headgasket. Used to seal out the wet stuff .
Dan
does this mean you are running a copper HG w/o an o-ring?
